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- August 13, 2012 at 3:38 pm
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- August 13, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Hog wash. So let’s all run out in the sun and see if we do not get sun damage. I can tell you this if I go out in the sun unprotected I WILL BURN in 10minutes.
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- August 13, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Here is the real reason that you get burnt and the solution…. Gene
http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=5A62FC73922FD51A88E62E42C5A0AD5E
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- August 13, 2012 at 9:28 pm
We come to wrong scientific conclusions all the time, and tomorrow's discoveries will overturn many of today's conclusions, just as they have since humans began to ask questions. One of the best attributes of modern scientific practice is that it contains within itself the mechanisms for constant review, rexamination, reproduction of experiments, and all the things required to figure out how we've been wrong and what we can learn.
If someone hits me with propaganda that says the larger scientific establishment is wrong, though, I want to know why they're coming to me. I'm not an expert – I'm not equipped to evaluate the relative scientific merits of their claim. Why aren't they publishing their evidence and getting the ample accolades from within their profession that would come with pioneering significant advances in logic?
Why? Well, usually because it's pseudoscience. And I'm a little disappointed to find it being peddled here.
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- August 13, 2012 at 9:28 pm
We come to wrong scientific conclusions all the time, and tomorrow's discoveries will overturn many of today's conclusions, just as they have since humans began to ask questions. One of the best attributes of modern scientific practice is that it contains within itself the mechanisms for constant review, rexamination, reproduction of experiments, and all the things required to figure out how we've been wrong and what we can learn.
If someone hits me with propaganda that says the larger scientific establishment is wrong, though, I want to know why they're coming to me. I'm not an expert – I'm not equipped to evaluate the relative scientific merits of their claim. Why aren't they publishing their evidence and getting the ample accolades from within their profession that would come with pioneering significant advances in logic?
Why? Well, usually because it's pseudoscience. And I'm a little disappointed to find it being peddled here.
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- August 13, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Link Between Vitamin D Deficiency and Cancer has Been Well-Tested and Confirmed
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- August 13, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Link Between Vitamin D Deficiency and Cancer has Been Well-Tested and Confirmed
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- August 13, 2012 at 10:21 pm
I have heard that Vitamin D3 assists in preventing melanoma's return.
I am not recomending that we all get our speedo's out and start sun bathing. This vitamin is also in milk, cheese, fish and eggs. That seems to be a better way to go. You can also take a supplement for this vitamin. The melanoma specialist I see recomended 2000 IU on a daily basis. I take a supplement and eat cheese daily. I am from the Cheese state……
Thanks,
MikeWI
stage 2c. Currently NED
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- August 13, 2012 at 10:21 pm
I have heard that Vitamin D3 assists in preventing melanoma's return.
I am not recomending that we all get our speedo's out and start sun bathing. This vitamin is also in milk, cheese, fish and eggs. That seems to be a better way to go. You can also take a supplement for this vitamin. The melanoma specialist I see recomended 2000 IU on a daily basis. I take a supplement and eat cheese daily. I am from the Cheese state……
Thanks,
MikeWI
stage 2c. Currently NED
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- August 13, 2012 at 10:21 pm
I have heard that Vitamin D3 assists in preventing melanoma's return.
I am not recomending that we all get our speedo's out and start sun bathing. This vitamin is also in milk, cheese, fish and eggs. That seems to be a better way to go. You can also take a supplement for this vitamin. The melanoma specialist I see recomended 2000 IU on a daily basis. I take a supplement and eat cheese daily. I am from the Cheese state……
Thanks,
MikeWI
stage 2c. Currently NED
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- August 13, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Link Between Vitamin D Deficiency and Cancer has Been Well-Tested and Confirmed
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- August 13, 2012 at 9:28 pm
We come to wrong scientific conclusions all the time, and tomorrow's discoveries will overturn many of today's conclusions, just as they have since humans began to ask questions. One of the best attributes of modern scientific practice is that it contains within itself the mechanisms for constant review, rexamination, reproduction of experiments, and all the things required to figure out how we've been wrong and what we can learn.
If someone hits me with propaganda that says the larger scientific establishment is wrong, though, I want to know why they're coming to me. I'm not an expert – I'm not equipped to evaluate the relative scientific merits of their claim. Why aren't they publishing their evidence and getting the ample accolades from within their profession that would come with pioneering significant advances in logic?
Why? Well, usually because it's pseudoscience. And I'm a little disappointed to find it being peddled here.
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- August 13, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Here is the real reason that you get burnt and the solution…. Gene
http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=5A62FC73922FD51A88E62E42C5A0AD5E
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- August 13, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Here is the real reason that you get burnt and the solution…. Gene
http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=5A62FC73922FD51A88E62E42C5A0AD5E
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- August 13, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Really?! I watched the video….really?! Yes, even past his 'red neck' discussion. Yes, vitamin D is good for us – we get that – it's not new news at least to many on this board. Many of us have had Vit D levels tested and/or been asked to take Vit D3 supplements as a result of our tests. Vit D3 supplements are cheap, easy to take, and I don't need a timer to tell me when it's OK to come in from the sun – hence reducing the risk of burning. Also well documented is the fact that most Americans do not get proper nutrition which factors back to the video you posted with the spokeperson noting that proper nutrition protests the skin from sun damage..
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- August 13, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Really?! I watched the video….really?! Yes, even past his 'red neck' discussion. Yes, vitamin D is good for us – we get that – it's not new news at least to many on this board. Many of us have had Vit D levels tested and/or been asked to take Vit D3 supplements as a result of our tests. Vit D3 supplements are cheap, easy to take, and I don't need a timer to tell me when it's OK to come in from the sun – hence reducing the risk of burning. Also well documented is the fact that most Americans do not get proper nutrition which factors back to the video you posted with the spokeperson noting that proper nutrition protests the skin from sun damage..
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- August 13, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Really?! I watched the video….really?! Yes, even past his 'red neck' discussion. Yes, vitamin D is good for us – we get that – it's not new news at least to many on this board. Many of us have had Vit D levels tested and/or been asked to take Vit D3 supplements as a result of our tests. Vit D3 supplements are cheap, easy to take, and I don't need a timer to tell me when it's OK to come in from the sun – hence reducing the risk of burning. Also well documented is the fact that most Americans do not get proper nutrition which factors back to the video you posted with the spokeperson noting that proper nutrition protests the skin from sun damage..
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- August 14, 2012 at 1:29 am
It is interesting to me that the author of this post has tried, but did not get accepted into the Onoovax trail but did get into and instead was admitted to an IPI/GMCSF trial……………..to which he attributes his continuing success. A clinical trail by the way, that, by design is a lab rat sort of thing by his own definition. Nowhere do I see in his profile that he ran out into the sun, ran to Mexico or ran to the grocery store or scorned pharma, which he encourages others to do based upon "massive" research.
I seldom if ever challenge Stage IV people, but recent comments are a bit out there. Yes, we all need Vitamin-D, but the reasoning , rationale, and solution for melanoma patients as presented are getting that all wrong.
Further, stating diet modification stands a better chance of "cure" for melanoma than interferon is wrong as well because it is not supported by science.
Further, the Gerson stuff is way beyond the pale and again not based upon science.
I would caution people to do their own research and not accept everything here as a fact of gospel.
This is a good place, full of great contributors who have been there and done that; but still, be cautious.
Cheers,
Charlie S
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- August 14, 2012 at 1:29 am
It is interesting to me that the author of this post has tried, but did not get accepted into the Onoovax trail but did get into and instead was admitted to an IPI/GMCSF trial……………..to which he attributes his continuing success. A clinical trail by the way, that, by design is a lab rat sort of thing by his own definition. Nowhere do I see in his profile that he ran out into the sun, ran to Mexico or ran to the grocery store or scorned pharma, which he encourages others to do based upon "massive" research.
I seldom if ever challenge Stage IV people, but recent comments are a bit out there. Yes, we all need Vitamin-D, but the reasoning , rationale, and solution for melanoma patients as presented are getting that all wrong.
Further, stating diet modification stands a better chance of "cure" for melanoma than interferon is wrong as well because it is not supported by science.
Further, the Gerson stuff is way beyond the pale and again not based upon science.
I would caution people to do their own research and not accept everything here as a fact of gospel.
This is a good place, full of great contributors who have been there and done that; but still, be cautious.
Cheers,
Charlie S
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- August 14, 2012 at 3:53 am
Charlie, after reading your profile I get the sense that you still don't know about the "follow the money" theory! Do you have any idea of how much money could have been saved in the event that you did change your lifestyle instead of returning for all of those surgeries and drugs? Don't get me wrong, I am very happy that you survived IL2 and that you are considered a cancer survivor.
In regards to your comments, I was making reservations in Chipsa (Mexico) when I was accepted into the clinical trials. I refused interferon due to the fact that if I was going to die, at least my time on earth wasn't going to be spent in hell with a drug that they know doesn't stop melanoma. I feel that they still offer it today so that you feel that you are doing something for your cancer (even if it is wrong). Again, follow the money.
As far as your scientific concerns nothing happens in the cancer industry without huge amounts of money to be made. Melanoma is very low on research spending ladder mainly because the numbers of cancer patients don't justify the research costs. There is no money to be made in changing your lifestyle and diet. BTW, Vervoy was not developed by BMS, they just saw a huge profit market and ran with it.
RE: "Further, stating diet modification stands a better chance of "cure" for melanoma than interferon is wrong as well because it is not supported by science".
So how is taking a very toxic drug (that don't work) science? Since I know the following information shouldn't my oncologist? I have yet to read of any melanoma patient who melanoma never returned as a result of taking interferon. Below is some of the research on interferon that I found on line:
"As a patient advocate I just want you to consider what you are choosing very carefully. I totally understand your reasons for choosing a toxic therapy such as interferon, as there really are no alternatives. (leukine or watch and wait) It is a scary prospect to think about melanoma recurring. But let me reiterate what the experts have told me: interferon does not prevent recurrence, or extend lifetime survival, it MAY extend recurrence time by one year. You may lose one year of productivity and quality of life. Do not choose interferon if you have a family history or personal history of depression or mental illness of any kind. It is known to exacerbate these conditions and it can be long term debilitation."RE: "I would caution people to do their own research and not accept everything here as a fact of gospel."
And that should include your cancer caregiver provider. Your doctor is most likely to be educated by big pharma. Again follow the money… See:
As far as the sun goes, I attribute the LACK of sun for one of the causes of my melanoma. Not to be bragging, but I am doing the best of anyone in my local clinical trial (12 people) and my oncologist asked me what I am doing different… see if you can figure it out?
Best wishes,
Gene
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- August 14, 2012 at 3:53 am
Charlie, after reading your profile I get the sense that you still don't know about the "follow the money" theory! Do you have any idea of how much money could have been saved in the event that you did change your lifestyle instead of returning for all of those surgeries and drugs? Don't get me wrong, I am very happy that you survived IL2 and that you are considered a cancer survivor.
In regards to your comments, I was making reservations in Chipsa (Mexico) when I was accepted into the clinical trials. I refused interferon due to the fact that if I was going to die, at least my time on earth wasn't going to be spent in hell with a drug that they know doesn't stop melanoma. I feel that they still offer it today so that you feel that you are doing something for your cancer (even if it is wrong). Again, follow the money.
As far as your scientific concerns nothing happens in the cancer industry without huge amounts of money to be made. Melanoma is very low on research spending ladder mainly because the numbers of cancer patients don't justify the research costs. There is no money to be made in changing your lifestyle and diet. BTW, Vervoy was not developed by BMS, they just saw a huge profit market and ran with it.
RE: "Further, stating diet modification stands a better chance of "cure" for melanoma than interferon is wrong as well because it is not supported by science".
So how is taking a very toxic drug (that don't work) science? Since I know the following information shouldn't my oncologist? I have yet to read of any melanoma patient who melanoma never returned as a result of taking interferon. Below is some of the research on interferon that I found on line:
"As a patient advocate I just want you to consider what you are choosing very carefully. I totally understand your reasons for choosing a toxic therapy such as interferon, as there really are no alternatives. (leukine or watch and wait) It is a scary prospect to think about melanoma recurring. But let me reiterate what the experts have told me: interferon does not prevent recurrence, or extend lifetime survival, it MAY extend recurrence time by one year. You may lose one year of productivity and quality of life. Do not choose interferon if you have a family history or personal history of depression or mental illness of any kind. It is known to exacerbate these conditions and it can be long term debilitation."RE: "I would caution people to do their own research and not accept everything here as a fact of gospel."
And that should include your cancer caregiver provider. Your doctor is most likely to be educated by big pharma. Again follow the money… See:
As far as the sun goes, I attribute the LACK of sun for one of the causes of my melanoma. Not to be bragging, but I am doing the best of anyone in my local clinical trial (12 people) and my oncologist asked me what I am doing different… see if you can figure it out?
Best wishes,
Gene
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- August 14, 2012 at 3:53 am
Charlie, after reading your profile I get the sense that you still don't know about the "follow the money" theory! Do you have any idea of how much money could have been saved in the event that you did change your lifestyle instead of returning for all of those surgeries and drugs? Don't get me wrong, I am very happy that you survived IL2 and that you are considered a cancer survivor.
In regards to your comments, I was making reservations in Chipsa (Mexico) when I was accepted into the clinical trials. I refused interferon due to the fact that if I was going to die, at least my time on earth wasn't going to be spent in hell with a drug that they know doesn't stop melanoma. I feel that they still offer it today so that you feel that you are doing something for your cancer (even if it is wrong). Again, follow the money.
As far as your scientific concerns nothing happens in the cancer industry without huge amounts of money to be made. Melanoma is very low on research spending ladder mainly because the numbers of cancer patients don't justify the research costs. There is no money to be made in changing your lifestyle and diet. BTW, Vervoy was not developed by BMS, they just saw a huge profit market and ran with it.
RE: "Further, stating diet modification stands a better chance of "cure" for melanoma than interferon is wrong as well because it is not supported by science".
So how is taking a very toxic drug (that don't work) science? Since I know the following information shouldn't my oncologist? I have yet to read of any melanoma patient who melanoma never returned as a result of taking interferon. Below is some of the research on interferon that I found on line:
"As a patient advocate I just want you to consider what you are choosing very carefully. I totally understand your reasons for choosing a toxic therapy such as interferon, as there really are no alternatives. (leukine or watch and wait) It is a scary prospect to think about melanoma recurring. But let me reiterate what the experts have told me: interferon does not prevent recurrence, or extend lifetime survival, it MAY extend recurrence time by one year. You may lose one year of productivity and quality of life. Do not choose interferon if you have a family history or personal history of depression or mental illness of any kind. It is known to exacerbate these conditions and it can be long term debilitation."RE: "I would caution people to do their own research and not accept everything here as a fact of gospel."
And that should include your cancer caregiver provider. Your doctor is most likely to be educated by big pharma. Again follow the money… See:
As far as the sun goes, I attribute the LACK of sun for one of the causes of my melanoma. Not to be bragging, but I am doing the best of anyone in my local clinical trial (12 people) and my oncologist asked me what I am doing different… see if you can figure it out?
Best wishes,
Gene
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- August 14, 2012 at 1:29 am
It is interesting to me that the author of this post has tried, but did not get accepted into the Onoovax trail but did get into and instead was admitted to an IPI/GMCSF trial……………..to which he attributes his continuing success. A clinical trail by the way, that, by design is a lab rat sort of thing by his own definition. Nowhere do I see in his profile that he ran out into the sun, ran to Mexico or ran to the grocery store or scorned pharma, which he encourages others to do based upon "massive" research.
I seldom if ever challenge Stage IV people, but recent comments are a bit out there. Yes, we all need Vitamin-D, but the reasoning , rationale, and solution for melanoma patients as presented are getting that all wrong.
Further, stating diet modification stands a better chance of "cure" for melanoma than interferon is wrong as well because it is not supported by science.
Further, the Gerson stuff is way beyond the pale and again not based upon science.
I would caution people to do their own research and not accept everything here as a fact of gospel.
This is a good place, full of great contributors who have been there and done that; but still, be cautious.
Cheers,
Charlie S
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- August 14, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Do we really need to be arguing?
The problem I see with natural therapies is that no pharmaceutical company will put the time into testing them scientifically because they're not profitable and can't be patented. So there may very well be something viable out there that's being overlooked.
People get melanoma in places where the sun doesn't even shine. Others like me, never had a primary. How does that happen? I've used sunscreen since it first came out and have gone out of my way to not burn. I'm not even a sun worshipper because I can't stand hot weather. Nor do I work outdoors. But yet, I have melanoma. Go figure! There has to be more to it than just sun exposure.
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- August 14, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Do we really need to be arguing?
The problem I see with natural therapies is that no pharmaceutical company will put the time into testing them scientifically because they're not profitable and can't be patented. So there may very well be something viable out there that's being overlooked.
People get melanoma in places where the sun doesn't even shine. Others like me, never had a primary. How does that happen? I've used sunscreen since it first came out and have gone out of my way to not burn. I'm not even a sun worshipper because I can't stand hot weather. Nor do I work outdoors. But yet, I have melanoma. Go figure! There has to be more to it than just sun exposure.
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- August 14, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Linny,
This is why I keep suggesting that people get tested for a vitamin D-3 deficiency! I too was never a sun worshiper and I worked night turn (40 + years) sleeping during the day. I like you developed melanoma. Since then I have learned about the benefits of vitamin D-3. I feel that others should be told. It is estimated up to 77% of all cancers could be prevented by having the proper amount of vitamin D-3, the best form is from the sun and it's free. So the question is why is the government and the American cancer society not screaming this message to the public?
Best wishes,
Gene
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- August 14, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Linny,
This is why I keep suggesting that people get tested for a vitamin D-3 deficiency! I too was never a sun worshiper and I worked night turn (40 + years) sleeping during the day. I like you developed melanoma. Since then I have learned about the benefits of vitamin D-3. I feel that others should be told. It is estimated up to 77% of all cancers could be prevented by having the proper amount of vitamin D-3, the best form is from the sun and it's free. So the question is why is the government and the American cancer society not screaming this message to the public?
Best wishes,
Gene
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- August 14, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Linny,
This is why I keep suggesting that people get tested for a vitamin D-3 deficiency! I too was never a sun worshiper and I worked night turn (40 + years) sleeping during the day. I like you developed melanoma. Since then I have learned about the benefits of vitamin D-3. I feel that others should be told. It is estimated up to 77% of all cancers could be prevented by having the proper amount of vitamin D-3, the best form is from the sun and it's free. So the question is why is the government and the American cancer society not screaming this message to the public?
Best wishes,
Gene
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- August 14, 2012 at 6:08 pm
You can't have it both ways, though. If you say go out into the sun to get your vit D, then they should be putting sunscreen on. But, you'd say they shouldn't put those toxic chemicals on their skin. So, then you'd advise going out into the sun without protection? That's how I got my melanoma.
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- August 14, 2012 at 6:08 pm
You can't have it both ways, though. If you say go out into the sun to get your vit D, then they should be putting sunscreen on. But, you'd say they shouldn't put those toxic chemicals on their skin. So, then you'd advise going out into the sun without protection? That's how I got my melanoma.
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- August 14, 2012 at 9:33 pm
RE: "That's how I got my melanoma."
Or that is an old way of thinking (wrongly) that needs to change!
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- August 14, 2012 at 9:33 pm
RE: "That's how I got my melanoma."
Or that is an old way of thinking (wrongly) that needs to change!
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- August 14, 2012 at 9:33 pm
RE: "That's how I got my melanoma."
Or that is an old way of thinking (wrongly) that needs to change!
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- August 14, 2012 at 6:08 pm
You can't have it both ways, though. If you say go out into the sun to get your vit D, then they should be putting sunscreen on. But, you'd say they shouldn't put those toxic chemicals on their skin. So, then you'd advise going out into the sun without protection? That's how I got my melanoma.
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- August 14, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Do we really need to be arguing?
The problem I see with natural therapies is that no pharmaceutical company will put the time into testing them scientifically because they're not profitable and can't be patented. So there may very well be something viable out there that's being overlooked.
People get melanoma in places where the sun doesn't even shine. Others like me, never had a primary. How does that happen? I've used sunscreen since it first came out and have gone out of my way to not burn. I'm not even a sun worshipper because I can't stand hot weather. Nor do I work outdoors. But yet, I have melanoma. Go figure! There has to be more to it than just sun exposure.
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- August 14, 2012 at 10:49 pm
Gene, Gene, Gene,
There used to be a guy on this board named James Semmel who said the same things over and over.
Here is a link to the exact posts.
http://www.health-forums.com/alt-support-cancer-breast/6th-annual-melanoma-simply-vitamin-d-deficiency-cancer-70823.html
and here is a link to all of the other cockamamie stuff he used to spew about:
https://www.google.com/search?q=james+semmel+foot&sugexp=chrome,mod=15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
In your mind things may seem simple, which is fairly common for a simple minded person.
Instead of repeating the same thing over and over and confusing people about medical choices which are hard enough to make, why not just keep quiet?
I was a lifeguard and did plenty of work outside as a youngster, No vitamin D deficiency w/this guy, or lack of sunshine for that matter. There have plenty of people on here over the years who had an active and outdoor lifestyle, farmers, golfers, who ate healthy food did very complicated supplement regimens and still died.
So before you go and argue with people and belittle their choices, while being overly boastful and proud of yours, why not keep quiet and see what happens in the long run. I'm very happy to hear that out of 12 people you are doing well, but that could be dumb luck or even because the rest of the particpants are getting the wrong treatment. You are equating your treatment choices with survival benefits. I've definitely seen some people hit a homerun on the first choice they made and never get treated again which is great.
The whole "follow the money theory" is chock full of holes too. Believe me, big corporations would never keep a cure to cancer a secret, they would jump on it and try to find a way to screw the other guys out of selling it, and leave a whole bunch of environmental pollution and tax loopholes in their wake.
My philosophy from Day 1 of fighting stage IV was that if I tried as many different treatments as possible, until I finally got the one that worked. As time went on, surgery, and immunotherapy seemed to win out. Diet is nice, but stressing over it can do more harm than good. For the most part, it is better to keep up on the latest clinical treatments, stay active and lean, and have as little stress as possible.
I hope you can keep your mind open enough to be aware that some thoughts work and some don't and you can change your theories if it isn't working for you, or if you have any recurrences.
Regards
John
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- August 14, 2012 at 10:49 pm
Gene, Gene, Gene,
There used to be a guy on this board named James Semmel who said the same things over and over.
Here is a link to the exact posts.
http://www.health-forums.com/alt-support-cancer-breast/6th-annual-melanoma-simply-vitamin-d-deficiency-cancer-70823.html
and here is a link to all of the other cockamamie stuff he used to spew about:
https://www.google.com/search?q=james+semmel+foot&sugexp=chrome,mod=15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
In your mind things may seem simple, which is fairly common for a simple minded person.
Instead of repeating the same thing over and over and confusing people about medical choices which are hard enough to make, why not just keep quiet?
I was a lifeguard and did plenty of work outside as a youngster, No vitamin D deficiency w/this guy, or lack of sunshine for that matter. There have plenty of people on here over the years who had an active and outdoor lifestyle, farmers, golfers, who ate healthy food did very complicated supplement regimens and still died.
So before you go and argue with people and belittle their choices, while being overly boastful and proud of yours, why not keep quiet and see what happens in the long run. I'm very happy to hear that out of 12 people you are doing well, but that could be dumb luck or even because the rest of the particpants are getting the wrong treatment. You are equating your treatment choices with survival benefits. I've definitely seen some people hit a homerun on the first choice they made and never get treated again which is great.
The whole "follow the money theory" is chock full of holes too. Believe me, big corporations would never keep a cure to cancer a secret, they would jump on it and try to find a way to screw the other guys out of selling it, and leave a whole bunch of environmental pollution and tax loopholes in their wake.
My philosophy from Day 1 of fighting stage IV was that if I tried as many different treatments as possible, until I finally got the one that worked. As time went on, surgery, and immunotherapy seemed to win out. Diet is nice, but stressing over it can do more harm than good. For the most part, it is better to keep up on the latest clinical treatments, stay active and lean, and have as little stress as possible.
I hope you can keep your mind open enough to be aware that some thoughts work and some don't and you can change your theories if it isn't working for you, or if you have any recurrences.
Regards
John
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- August 14, 2012 at 10:49 pm
Gene, Gene, Gene,
There used to be a guy on this board named James Semmel who said the same things over and over.
Here is a link to the exact posts.
http://www.health-forums.com/alt-support-cancer-breast/6th-annual-melanoma-simply-vitamin-d-deficiency-cancer-70823.html
and here is a link to all of the other cockamamie stuff he used to spew about:
https://www.google.com/search?q=james+semmel+foot&sugexp=chrome,mod=15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
In your mind things may seem simple, which is fairly common for a simple minded person.
Instead of repeating the same thing over and over and confusing people about medical choices which are hard enough to make, why not just keep quiet?
I was a lifeguard and did plenty of work outside as a youngster, No vitamin D deficiency w/this guy, or lack of sunshine for that matter. There have plenty of people on here over the years who had an active and outdoor lifestyle, farmers, golfers, who ate healthy food did very complicated supplement regimens and still died.
So before you go and argue with people and belittle their choices, while being overly boastful and proud of yours, why not keep quiet and see what happens in the long run. I'm very happy to hear that out of 12 people you are doing well, but that could be dumb luck or even because the rest of the particpants are getting the wrong treatment. You are equating your treatment choices with survival benefits. I've definitely seen some people hit a homerun on the first choice they made and never get treated again which is great.
The whole "follow the money theory" is chock full of holes too. Believe me, big corporations would never keep a cure to cancer a secret, they would jump on it and try to find a way to screw the other guys out of selling it, and leave a whole bunch of environmental pollution and tax loopholes in their wake.
My philosophy from Day 1 of fighting stage IV was that if I tried as many different treatments as possible, until I finally got the one that worked. As time went on, surgery, and immunotherapy seemed to win out. Diet is nice, but stressing over it can do more harm than good. For the most part, it is better to keep up on the latest clinical treatments, stay active and lean, and have as little stress as possible.
I hope you can keep your mind open enough to be aware that some thoughts work and some don't and you can change your theories if it isn't working for you, or if you have any recurrences.
Regards
John
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- August 14, 2012 at 11:59 pm
John,
I guess that in your mind Dr. Mercola which prides itself on being "The World's #1 Natural Health Website" is also a simple minded person. I my opinion, I would rather be a simple minded person than an closed minded person! There is new research that states that the sun causes skin cancers of Basal cell carcinoma and Squamous cell carcinoma but not melanoma. So if this is true why are they still pushing the old wrong theory? Follow the money!
BTW, My main purpose in these posting is to inspire the readers here to get their vitamin D-3 levels checked!
Best wishes, Gene
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- August 14, 2012 at 11:59 pm
John,
I guess that in your mind Dr. Mercola which prides itself on being "The World's #1 Natural Health Website" is also a simple minded person. I my opinion, I would rather be a simple minded person than an closed minded person! There is new research that states that the sun causes skin cancers of Basal cell carcinoma and Squamous cell carcinoma but not melanoma. So if this is true why are they still pushing the old wrong theory? Follow the money!
BTW, My main purpose in these posting is to inspire the readers here to get their vitamin D-3 levels checked!
Best wishes, Gene
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- August 14, 2012 at 11:59 pm
John,
I guess that in your mind Dr. Mercola which prides itself on being "The World's #1 Natural Health Website" is also a simple minded person. I my opinion, I would rather be a simple minded person than an closed minded person! There is new research that states that the sun causes skin cancers of Basal cell carcinoma and Squamous cell carcinoma but not melanoma. So if this is true why are they still pushing the old wrong theory? Follow the money!
BTW, My main purpose in these posting is to inspire the readers here to get their vitamin D-3 levels checked!
Best wishes, Gene
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- August 15, 2012 at 12:19 am
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- August 15, 2012 at 12:19 am
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- August 15, 2012 at 12:19 am
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- August 15, 2012 at 2:22 am
Ok, we get your point, but quit littering the board with all of the other crap. What does "follow the money" have to do with getting your Vitamin D levels checked?
As for Dr. Mercola, he is smart enough to criticize the "follow the money" philosophy and sell all kinds of crap that may or may not work to simple minded people like, well, Gene. He wouldn't be motivated by say, money, would he? The phrase should be changed to "Follow the Mercola!"
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- August 15, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Let me check with my oncologist, Yervoy is now free, interferon is buy one get one free. Life is good, the drug companies are now non-profit!
Again maybe I am simple minded but definitely not closed minded. Yes Dr. Mercola makes money and I suspect that you do too. The problem here is that drug companies make money too… not a problem except that they make huge amounts of money on products that either don't work (interferon) or that will kill you. However no one see's a problem with them. In reality, I have never read of a person who died from buying something from Dr. Mercola, can you say the same for someone whose cancer treatment has failed? As far as the "crap" who is closed minded here, ie if you don't want to read my posts simply ignore them (simple mind). Try posting something that will benefit all of us. The follow the money pertains to why are the so called health authorities not informing consumers that they need to have their vitamin D levels checked? The answer is that they would lose considerable money in cancer treatments. It is a well established fact that breast and colon cancers could be reduced considerable by simply getting more vitamin D-3. I have yet to see a billboard with that message on it. Cancer treatment is a huge money making business so learn to "follow the money".
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- August 15, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Gene, I would love to sit in your little paper bag and argue with you, but your logic is mind boggling. Your best line so far has referred to Dr. Mercolas website as taking pride in being “The World’s #1 Natural Health Website”. Who else is in the running for this category? And what are the criteria? Every other pizza parlor also takes pride in their “most authentic Italian slice.”
Carry on, and remember, “follow the Dr. Mercola!!!!!” -
- August 15, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Gene, I would love to sit in your little paper bag and argue with you, but your logic is mind boggling. Your best line so far has referred to Dr. Mercolas website as taking pride in being “The World’s #1 Natural Health Website”. Who else is in the running for this category? And what are the criteria? Every other pizza parlor also takes pride in their “most authentic Italian slice.”
Carry on, and remember, “follow the Dr. Mercola!!!!!” -
- August 15, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Gene, I would love to sit in your little paper bag and argue with you, but your logic is mind boggling. Your best line so far has referred to Dr. Mercolas website as taking pride in being “The World’s #1 Natural Health Website”. Who else is in the running for this category? And what are the criteria? Every other pizza parlor also takes pride in their “most authentic Italian slice.”
Carry on, and remember, “follow the Dr. Mercola!!!!!” -
- August 15, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Let me check with my oncologist, Yervoy is now free, interferon is buy one get one free. Life is good, the drug companies are now non-profit!
Again maybe I am simple minded but definitely not closed minded. Yes Dr. Mercola makes money and I suspect that you do too. The problem here is that drug companies make money too… not a problem except that they make huge amounts of money on products that either don't work (interferon) or that will kill you. However no one see's a problem with them. In reality, I have never read of a person who died from buying something from Dr. Mercola, can you say the same for someone whose cancer treatment has failed? As far as the "crap" who is closed minded here, ie if you don't want to read my posts simply ignore them (simple mind). Try posting something that will benefit all of us. The follow the money pertains to why are the so called health authorities not informing consumers that they need to have their vitamin D levels checked? The answer is that they would lose considerable money in cancer treatments. It is a well established fact that breast and colon cancers could be reduced considerable by simply getting more vitamin D-3. I have yet to see a billboard with that message on it. Cancer treatment is a huge money making business so learn to "follow the money".
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- August 15, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Let me check with my oncologist, Yervoy is now free, interferon is buy one get one free. Life is good, the drug companies are now non-profit!
Again maybe I am simple minded but definitely not closed minded. Yes Dr. Mercola makes money and I suspect that you do too. The problem here is that drug companies make money too… not a problem except that they make huge amounts of money on products that either don't work (interferon) or that will kill you. However no one see's a problem with them. In reality, I have never read of a person who died from buying something from Dr. Mercola, can you say the same for someone whose cancer treatment has failed? As far as the "crap" who is closed minded here, ie if you don't want to read my posts simply ignore them (simple mind). Try posting something that will benefit all of us. The follow the money pertains to why are the so called health authorities not informing consumers that they need to have their vitamin D levels checked? The answer is that they would lose considerable money in cancer treatments. It is a well established fact that breast and colon cancers could be reduced considerable by simply getting more vitamin D-3. I have yet to see a billboard with that message on it. Cancer treatment is a huge money making business so learn to "follow the money".
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- August 15, 2012 at 2:22 am
Ok, we get your point, but quit littering the board with all of the other crap. What does "follow the money" have to do with getting your Vitamin D levels checked?
As for Dr. Mercola, he is smart enough to criticize the "follow the money" philosophy and sell all kinds of crap that may or may not work to simple minded people like, well, Gene. He wouldn't be motivated by say, money, would he? The phrase should be changed to "Follow the Mercola!"
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- August 15, 2012 at 2:22 am
Ok, we get your point, but quit littering the board with all of the other crap. What does "follow the money" have to do with getting your Vitamin D levels checked?
As for Dr. Mercola, he is smart enough to criticize the "follow the money" philosophy and sell all kinds of crap that may or may not work to simple minded people like, well, Gene. He wouldn't be motivated by say, money, would he? The phrase should be changed to "Follow the Mercola!"
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- August 16, 2012 at 2:19 am
Your post cracked me up JAG, I as well remember James the shoe guy. Couple of months ago I had the pleasure of hosting some several year melanoma suvivors in my home and he came up; and now Gene.
Makes me wonder about reincarnation.
🙂 Best to you and your family.
Charlie S
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- August 16, 2012 at 2:19 am
Your post cracked me up JAG, I as well remember James the shoe guy. Couple of months ago I had the pleasure of hosting some several year melanoma suvivors in my home and he came up; and now Gene.
Makes me wonder about reincarnation.
🙂 Best to you and your family.
Charlie S
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- August 16, 2012 at 2:19 am
Your post cracked me up JAG, I as well remember James the shoe guy. Couple of months ago I had the pleasure of hosting some several year melanoma suvivors in my home and he came up; and now Gene.
Makes me wonder about reincarnation.
🙂 Best to you and your family.
Charlie S
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