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    JoshF
    Participant

      So I ended up with full scan on Thursday. Obviously our biggest concern was liver. Unfortunately we never received disk from MDA for comparison. Bottom line from oncologist looking at scan, there's about 50% healthy tissue remaining throughout liver. I saw images and it was disheartening. Just nodules spread throughout liver. On the other hand, some things got a bit smaller and some things bigger based on written report from 12/15 scan. LDH shot up to 2700 and 2 of the 3 LFT's were a bit higher. Not sure what to expect after 1 treatment. Anyway, she decided to move forward with 2nd treatment of Abraxene & Keytruda. I've been with my oncologist for close to 6 years, I know she's concerned. We decided to schedule a brain MRI for Monday. I'm scheduled to begin TIL Jan 31 and supposed to go MDA for screening next week. Now I'm a month out from gamma knife, I need stable brain MRI otherwise a PI override. I'm not wasting more money to travel if MDA won't do that. So I reached out to them to let them know that. The clinical trial "system" is crap. I feel like when I was healthy cancer patient then I'm a hot commodity but get sick and lose that "Olympic patient" status then forget it…not to mention all exclusions for pretreated patients. No wonder only about 5% of patients are selected for trials. Yeah I'm frustrated by all this BS. I feel decent the last couple of days but who knows how I will feel on Jan 31 when TIL would start IF I get in. Need this Abraxene and/or Keytruda to stop progression. Quite honestly, I'm sick of all of this. It's wearing hard on me and my family.

      Josh

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        Polymath
        Participant

          Hey Josh,

          First and foremost, we are happy, and relieved, to have you check-in.  So many here are thinking of you daily and we understand it's hard sometimes to muster up the spirit to post.  Glad the news was not all bad.  The roller-coaster ride can be so difficult.  One moment you are riding high, and the next holding on for dear life and trying not to puke.  You have proven to be strong, and you will be ready for the next ride no matter how steep and sharp the turns.  You are in to win it.

          Gary

          Polymath
          Participant

            Hey Josh,

            First and foremost, we are happy, and relieved, to have you check-in.  So many here are thinking of you daily and we understand it's hard sometimes to muster up the spirit to post.  Glad the news was not all bad.  The roller-coaster ride can be so difficult.  One moment you are riding high, and the next holding on for dear life and trying not to puke.  You have proven to be strong, and you will be ready for the next ride no matter how steep and sharp the turns.  You are in to win it.

            Gary

              momof4boys
              Participant
                I second every last thing Gary just said. You have so many people praying for you Josh, dont give up. There’s always hope. One day at a time.Thanks for posting we are all very concerned for what you are going through.
                momof4boys
                Participant
                  I second every last thing Gary just said. You have so many people praying for you Josh, dont give up. There’s always hope. One day at a time.Thanks for posting we are all very concerned for what you are going through.
                  momof4boys
                  Participant
                    I second every last thing Gary just said. You have so many people praying for you Josh, dont give up. There’s always hope. One day at a time.Thanks for posting we are all very concerned for what you are going through.
                  Polymath
                  Participant

                    Hey Josh,

                    First and foremost, we are happy, and relieved, to have you check-in.  So many here are thinking of you daily and we understand it's hard sometimes to muster up the spirit to post.  Glad the news was not all bad.  The roller-coaster ride can be so difficult.  One moment you are riding high, and the next holding on for dear life and trying not to puke.  You have proven to be strong, and you will be ready for the next ride no matter how steep and sharp the turns.  You are in to win it.

                    Gary

                    Patrisa
                    Participant

                      Dear Josh,

                      thank you so much for posting, we were all  waiting to hear from you…

                      I think you had a good response, with only one dose, your LDH dropped from 10 000, right? That to me reads that something good is going on… Also, if the pain diminished, that too is good…

                      Will be hoping you get TIL, but would not write off keytruda just yet… 

                      I won't say be brave and patient, this stuff is beyond scary, but trust that one treatment (why not keytruda) will work!!!!  

                      Hugs and prayers for you and your family!

                      Love,

                      Patrisa

                      Patrisa
                      Participant

                        Dear Josh,

                        thank you so much for posting, we were all  waiting to hear from you…

                        I think you had a good response, with only one dose, your LDH dropped from 10 000, right? That to me reads that something good is going on… Also, if the pain diminished, that too is good…

                        Will be hoping you get TIL, but would not write off keytruda just yet… 

                        I won't say be brave and patient, this stuff is beyond scary, but trust that one treatment (why not keytruda) will work!!!!  

                        Hugs and prayers for you and your family!

                        Love,

                        Patrisa

                        Patrisa
                        Participant

                          Dear Josh,

                          thank you so much for posting, we were all  waiting to hear from you…

                          I think you had a good response, with only one dose, your LDH dropped from 10 000, right? That to me reads that something good is going on… Also, if the pain diminished, that too is good…

                          Will be hoping you get TIL, but would not write off keytruda just yet… 

                          I won't say be brave and patient, this stuff is beyond scary, but trust that one treatment (why not keytruda) will work!!!!  

                          Hugs and prayers for you and your family!

                          Love,

                          Patrisa

                          debwray
                          Participant

                            Hey Josh,

                            I hear you loud and clear. Was pretty cut up when taken off Pembro v placebo stage 3 trial after delay in treatment whilst they diagnosed and treated infected scar from earlier surgeries on knee relpacement leg.

                            Thought I was on treatment due to rash and chills,  first week , increasing joint pain, anemia loss of weight and appetite etc. It looked like this could then have screwed treatment with PD1 drug as had previously been given drugs- but unblinding had me on placebo arm – and think Docs were all a bit shocked..

                            Am now on ipi nivo trial looking at management of side effects by experienced team and feel that trial protocol may be wagging treatment dog…. Liver enzymes were raised Dec 12- so treatment on hold -roughly two weeks at50mg pred and on taper but if don't have treatment Mon 23/1 then off trial again and last Wed liver tests still not back to grade 1. Might get ipi nivo via UK NHS but England is messing with the approvals and saying only for population where drugs were trialled- so brain scan re headaches 21/1 to work out if hypophysitis- but if brain met then guess I need to stay on that trial ….and here I lose my driving licence for two years if a brain met found.  

                            It feels frustrating enough to be dealing with disease and all the uncertainties that brings without being afraid that what feels like crazy restrictions may exclude me from what the docs think is in my best interests. 

                            Ok- so liver is main concern- when they do resections they are prepared to leave only 30% to regenerate- so that does buy some time for the TIL or Abraxene Combo to work..  

                            Lots of anecdotal stuff on things getting to work if patient feels better., so feeling decent last couple of days sounds good.Have a huge internet hug from the UK and will cross fingers and toes that all goes well for you, and everyone else dealing with tough times at the moment.

                            Best wishes

                            Deb

                            debwray
                            Participant

                              Hey Josh,

                              I hear you loud and clear. Was pretty cut up when taken off Pembro v placebo stage 3 trial after delay in treatment whilst they diagnosed and treated infected scar from earlier surgeries on knee relpacement leg.

                              Thought I was on treatment due to rash and chills,  first week , increasing joint pain, anemia loss of weight and appetite etc. It looked like this could then have screwed treatment with PD1 drug as had previously been given drugs- but unblinding had me on placebo arm – and think Docs were all a bit shocked..

                              Am now on ipi nivo trial looking at management of side effects by experienced team and feel that trial protocol may be wagging treatment dog…. Liver enzymes were raised Dec 12- so treatment on hold -roughly two weeks at50mg pred and on taper but if don't have treatment Mon 23/1 then off trial again and last Wed liver tests still not back to grade 1. Might get ipi nivo via UK NHS but England is messing with the approvals and saying only for population where drugs were trialled- so brain scan re headaches 21/1 to work out if hypophysitis- but if brain met then guess I need to stay on that trial ….and here I lose my driving licence for two years if a brain met found.  

                              It feels frustrating enough to be dealing with disease and all the uncertainties that brings without being afraid that what feels like crazy restrictions may exclude me from what the docs think is in my best interests. 

                              Ok- so liver is main concern- when they do resections they are prepared to leave only 30% to regenerate- so that does buy some time for the TIL or Abraxene Combo to work..  

                              Lots of anecdotal stuff on things getting to work if patient feels better., so feeling decent last couple of days sounds good.Have a huge internet hug from the UK and will cross fingers and toes that all goes well for you, and everyone else dealing with tough times at the moment.

                              Best wishes

                              Deb

                              debwray
                              Participant

                                Hey Josh,

                                I hear you loud and clear. Was pretty cut up when taken off Pembro v placebo stage 3 trial after delay in treatment whilst they diagnosed and treated infected scar from earlier surgeries on knee relpacement leg.

                                Thought I was on treatment due to rash and chills,  first week , increasing joint pain, anemia loss of weight and appetite etc. It looked like this could then have screwed treatment with PD1 drug as had previously been given drugs- but unblinding had me on placebo arm – and think Docs were all a bit shocked..

                                Am now on ipi nivo trial looking at management of side effects by experienced team and feel that trial protocol may be wagging treatment dog…. Liver enzymes were raised Dec 12- so treatment on hold -roughly two weeks at50mg pred and on taper but if don't have treatment Mon 23/1 then off trial again and last Wed liver tests still not back to grade 1. Might get ipi nivo via UK NHS but England is messing with the approvals and saying only for population where drugs were trialled- so brain scan re headaches 21/1 to work out if hypophysitis- but if brain met then guess I need to stay on that trial ….and here I lose my driving licence for two years if a brain met found.  

                                It feels frustrating enough to be dealing with disease and all the uncertainties that brings without being afraid that what feels like crazy restrictions may exclude me from what the docs think is in my best interests. 

                                Ok- so liver is main concern- when they do resections they are prepared to leave only 30% to regenerate- so that does buy some time for the TIL or Abraxene Combo to work..  

                                Lots of anecdotal stuff on things getting to work if patient feels better., so feeling decent last couple of days sounds good.Have a huge internet hug from the UK and will cross fingers and toes that all goes well for you, and everyone else dealing with tough times at the moment.

                                Best wishes

                                Deb

                                Bubbles
                                Participant

                                  Hey Joshie,

                                  Have been and will continue to hold you and yours in my heart daily.  Take what positive energy you can from the good parts of your scans and from each of us.  Hang in there.  You are much loved.  I understand every ounce of frustration you have with the current treatment and trial system.  Many of us are working hard to fix it….though I know that is small consolation and our chance of success is less than small.  But…if it matters…you are an inspiration…and there are many of us who will not stop screaming as long as we have breath.  

                                  Just to show you part of what I mean…I wrote this:  (Seriously, you don't have to read the longwinded mess….others may want to…just wanted you to know it was there….)  http://chaoticallypreciselifeloveandmelanoma.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-trial-of-trials.html

                                  You are precious my friend.  Fingers remain crossed for you and yours.  Love, c

                                  Bubbles
                                  Participant

                                    Hey Joshie,

                                    Have been and will continue to hold you and yours in my heart daily.  Take what positive energy you can from the good parts of your scans and from each of us.  Hang in there.  You are much loved.  I understand every ounce of frustration you have with the current treatment and trial system.  Many of us are working hard to fix it….though I know that is small consolation and our chance of success is less than small.  But…if it matters…you are an inspiration…and there are many of us who will not stop screaming as long as we have breath.  

                                    Just to show you part of what I mean…I wrote this:  (Seriously, you don't have to read the longwinded mess….others may want to…just wanted you to know it was there….)  http://chaoticallypreciselifeloveandmelanoma.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-trial-of-trials.html

                                    You are precious my friend.  Fingers remain crossed for you and yours.  Love, c

                                      maperny
                                      Participant

                                        This article is spot on, Celeste.  Thanks for posting.

                                        maperny
                                        Participant

                                          This article is spot on, Celeste.  Thanks for posting.

                                          maperny
                                          Participant

                                            This article is spot on, Celeste.  Thanks for posting.

                                          Bubbles
                                          Participant

                                            Hey Joshie,

                                            Have been and will continue to hold you and yours in my heart daily.  Take what positive energy you can from the good parts of your scans and from each of us.  Hang in there.  You are much loved.  I understand every ounce of frustration you have with the current treatment and trial system.  Many of us are working hard to fix it….though I know that is small consolation and our chance of success is less than small.  But…if it matters…you are an inspiration…and there are many of us who will not stop screaming as long as we have breath.  

                                            Just to show you part of what I mean…I wrote this:  (Seriously, you don't have to read the longwinded mess….others may want to…just wanted you to know it was there….)  http://chaoticallypreciselifeloveandmelanoma.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-trial-of-trials.html

                                            You are precious my friend.  Fingers remain crossed for you and yours.  Love, c

                                            snow white
                                            Participant

                                              So happy to see your post up on the board this morning.  It seems like a lot on here are having such miserable complicatons right now.  I was in the ER with my Dad unitl 2 am.  We thought he had a cold, but it started getting worse and worse.  Turns out that he has the Flu, he is so miserable.  Blood shows platelets are even lower than a few days ago, so doesn't look like he will be able to start back on his infusions for a bit, which is disheartening.

                                              Like others have brought out, it does sound like not all is negative in your report.  I can only imagine your frustration with "the system".  I think of your daily and am always holding you close in my thoughts. Hang in there my cyber friend, we are all rooting for you big time!!!!  

                                              xo Jen

                                              snow white
                                              Participant

                                                So happy to see your post up on the board this morning.  It seems like a lot on here are having such miserable complicatons right now.  I was in the ER with my Dad unitl 2 am.  We thought he had a cold, but it started getting worse and worse.  Turns out that he has the Flu, he is so miserable.  Blood shows platelets are even lower than a few days ago, so doesn't look like he will be able to start back on his infusions for a bit, which is disheartening.

                                                Like others have brought out, it does sound like not all is negative in your report.  I can only imagine your frustration with "the system".  I think of your daily and am always holding you close in my thoughts. Hang in there my cyber friend, we are all rooting for you big time!!!!  

                                                xo Jen

                                                snow white
                                                Participant

                                                  So happy to see your post up on the board this morning.  It seems like a lot on here are having such miserable complicatons right now.  I was in the ER with my Dad unitl 2 am.  We thought he had a cold, but it started getting worse and worse.  Turns out that he has the Flu, he is so miserable.  Blood shows platelets are even lower than a few days ago, so doesn't look like he will be able to start back on his infusions for a bit, which is disheartening.

                                                  Like others have brought out, it does sound like not all is negative in your report.  I can only imagine your frustration with "the system".  I think of your daily and am always holding you close in my thoughts. Hang in there my cyber friend, we are all rooting for you big time!!!!  

                                                  xo Jen

                                                  _Paul_
                                                  Participant

                                                    Damn Josh. What a meat grinder. I know you still have to reach stability with your brain mets, but you are so close to the TIL! 16 more days. There is a high in this roller coaster ride coming your way. You will be looking back at this later my friend. This may just sound like more words, but I believe we are both going to win our respective battles.

                                                    – Paul

                                                    _Paul_
                                                    Participant

                                                      Damn Josh. What a meat grinder. I know you still have to reach stability with your brain mets, but you are so close to the TIL! 16 more days. There is a high in this roller coaster ride coming your way. You will be looking back at this later my friend. This may just sound like more words, but I believe we are both going to win our respective battles.

                                                      – Paul

                                                        Bubbles
                                                        Participant

                                                          Amen…por los dos!!!!  c

                                                          Bubbles
                                                          Participant

                                                            Amen…por los dos!!!!  c

                                                            Bubbles
                                                            Participant

                                                              Amen…por los dos!!!!  c

                                                            _Paul_
                                                            Participant

                                                              Damn Josh. What a meat grinder. I know you still have to reach stability with your brain mets, but you are so close to the TIL! 16 more days. There is a high in this roller coaster ride coming your way. You will be looking back at this later my friend. This may just sound like more words, but I believe we are both going to win our respective battles.

                                                              – Paul

                                                              Patina
                                                              Participant

                                                                Josh,

                                                                PLEASE read this and respond.  I've mentioned this in a few posts, but don't know if you have talked to someone about it.

                                                                I am cheering you on. Don't give up. And get a second opinion on the SBRT.

                                                                What about Stereotactic radiation therapy for liver metastases: factors affecting local control and survival Body Radiotherapy (SBRT)

                                                                Stereotactic body radiotherapy (SBRT) for liver cancer? Approximately 80 liver tumor patients are treated annually at the University of Michigan using stereotactic body radiotherapy (SBRT), a treatment with the ability to focus a high dose of radiation, delivered with high precision, to a tumor while sparing the healthy tissues nearby. Sometimes called 'radiosurgery' or 'CyberKnife' (a brand of equipment), it is a non-invasive therapy, rather than a type of surgery. The University of Michigan Health System is the premier location in North America for delivering radiation treatments for liver cancer.

                                                                —- The above is just a description. I don't know where the BEST  SBRT Liver radiation oncologist is. You need to find that person.

                                                                A Single Arm Phase 2 Study of Individualized Proton-Based Stereotactic Body Radiation Therapy (P-SBRT) of Liver Metastases

                                                                …The 1-year Local Control was 77%, with a mOS of 18 months (95% CI = 14–21) and mPFS of 4 months (95% CI = 3–8). For colorectal patients 1-yr LC was 60%, with a mOS of 18 mo (95% CI = 13–32).

                                                                Stereotactic radiation therapy for liver metastases: factors affecting local control and survival

                                                                Median local recurrence-free interval was 23 months with a local control rate of 74.7%, 48.3% and 48.3% after 1, 2 and 3 years. Only minimum biologically effective dose (BED) to gross tumor volume (GTV) remained as independent significant factor for local control in multivariate analysis. No local recurrences were observed in lesions (n = 12) which received a minimal BED to the GTV of 120 Gy. Including 26 local recurrences, 67 patients (91%) showed disease progression after SBRT with a median time of 5 months. Median overall survival was 27 months with survival rates of 77%, 30% and 27% at 1, 3 and 5 years. On multivariate analysis only GTV volume remained as independent significant prognostic factor for overall survival (p = 0.002). No grade 3 to 5 acute toxicity and no grade 4 or 5 late toxicity occurred.

                                                                Stereotactic body radiation therapy for liver metastases

                                                                The best candidates for SBRT are oligometastatic patients with a good performance status (Eastern Cooperative Oncology Group 0-1 or Karfnosky >70), controlled or absent extra-hepatic disease, number of hepatic lesions ≤3, size lesions ≤3 cm, lesion distance from organs at risk (OARs) >8 mm, good liver function (Childs A) and healthy liver volume >1,000 cc. In patients with 4 liver metastases, diameter ranging from 3 to 6 cm, OARs distance between 5 and 8 mm, moderate liver function (Child B) and healthy liver volume ranging from 700 to 1,000 cc, the use of SBRT must be evaluated with caution. Patients with ≥5 hepatic lesions, diameter greater than 6 cm, OARs distance less than 5 mm, inadequate liver function (Child C) and healthy live< volume <700 cc, are unsuitable for SBRT.

                                                                  JoshF
                                                                  Participant

                                                                    Looks like I fit into the unsuitable category for this treatment. 🙁

                                                                    JoshF
                                                                    Participant

                                                                      Looks like I fit into the unsuitable category for this treatment. 🙁

                                                                      JoshF
                                                                      Participant

                                                                        Looks like I fit into the unsuitable category for this treatment. 🙁

                                                                      Patina
                                                                      Participant

                                                                        Josh,

                                                                        PLEASE read this and respond.  I've mentioned this in a few posts, but don't know if you have talked to someone about it.

                                                                        I am cheering you on. Don't give up. And get a second opinion on the SBRT.

                                                                        What about Stereotactic radiation therapy for liver metastases: factors affecting local control and survival Body Radiotherapy (SBRT)

                                                                        Stereotactic body radiotherapy (SBRT) for liver cancer? Approximately 80 liver tumor patients are treated annually at the University of Michigan using stereotactic body radiotherapy (SBRT), a treatment with the ability to focus a high dose of radiation, delivered with high precision, to a tumor while sparing the healthy tissues nearby. Sometimes called 'radiosurgery' or 'CyberKnife' (a brand of equipment), it is a non-invasive therapy, rather than a type of surgery. The University of Michigan Health System is the premier location in North America for delivering radiation treatments for liver cancer.

                                                                        —- The above is just a description. I don't know where the BEST  SBRT Liver radiation oncologist is. You need to find that person.

                                                                        A Single Arm Phase 2 Study of Individualized Proton-Based Stereotactic Body Radiation Therapy (P-SBRT) of Liver Metastases

                                                                        …The 1-year Local Control was 77%, with a mOS of 18 months (95% CI = 14–21) and mPFS of 4 months (95% CI = 3–8). For colorectal patients 1-yr LC was 60%, with a mOS of 18 mo (95% CI = 13–32).

                                                                        Stereotactic radiation therapy for liver metastases: factors affecting local control and survival

                                                                        Median local recurrence-free interval was 23 months with a local control rate of 74.7%, 48.3% and 48.3% after 1, 2 and 3 years. Only minimum biologically effective dose (BED) to gross tumor volume (GTV) remained as independent significant factor for local control in multivariate analysis. No local recurrences were observed in lesions (n = 12) which received a minimal BED to the GTV of 120 Gy. Including 26 local recurrences, 67 patients (91%) showed disease progression after SBRT with a median time of 5 months. Median overall survival was 27 months with survival rates of 77%, 30% and 27% at 1, 3 and 5 years. On multivariate analysis only GTV volume remained as independent significant prognostic factor for overall survival (p = 0.002). No grade 3 to 5 acute toxicity and no grade 4 or 5 late toxicity occurred.

                                                                        Stereotactic body radiation therapy for liver metastases

                                                                        The best candidates for SBRT are oligometastatic patients with a good performance status (Eastern Cooperative Oncology Group 0-1 or Karfnosky >70), controlled or absent extra-hepatic disease, number of hepatic lesions ≤3, size lesions ≤3 cm, lesion distance from organs at risk (OARs) >8 mm, good liver function (Childs A) and healthy liver volume >1,000 cc. In patients with 4 liver metastases, diameter ranging from 3 to 6 cm, OARs distance between 5 and 8 mm, moderate liver function (Child B) and healthy liver volume ranging from 700 to 1,000 cc, the use of SBRT must be evaluated with caution. Patients with ≥5 hepatic lesions, diameter greater than 6 cm, OARs distance less than 5 mm, inadequate liver function (Child C) and healthy live< volume <700 cc, are unsuitable for SBRT.

                                                                        Patina
                                                                        Participant

                                                                          Josh,

                                                                          PLEASE read this and respond.  I've mentioned this in a few posts, but don't know if you have talked to someone about it.

                                                                          I am cheering you on. Don't give up. And get a second opinion on the SBRT.

                                                                          What about Stereotactic radiation therapy for liver metastases: factors affecting local control and survival Body Radiotherapy (SBRT)

                                                                          Stereotactic body radiotherapy (SBRT) for liver cancer? Approximately 80 liver tumor patients are treated annually at the University of Michigan using stereotactic body radiotherapy (SBRT), a treatment with the ability to focus a high dose of radiation, delivered with high precision, to a tumor while sparing the healthy tissues nearby. Sometimes called 'radiosurgery' or 'CyberKnife' (a brand of equipment), it is a non-invasive therapy, rather than a type of surgery. The University of Michigan Health System is the premier location in North America for delivering radiation treatments for liver cancer.

                                                                          —- The above is just a description. I don't know where the BEST  SBRT Liver radiation oncologist is. You need to find that person.

                                                                          A Single Arm Phase 2 Study of Individualized Proton-Based Stereotactic Body Radiation Therapy (P-SBRT) of Liver Metastases

                                                                          …The 1-year Local Control was 77%, with a mOS of 18 months (95% CI = 14–21) and mPFS of 4 months (95% CI = 3–8). For colorectal patients 1-yr LC was 60%, with a mOS of 18 mo (95% CI = 13–32).

                                                                          Stereotactic radiation therapy for liver metastases: factors affecting local control and survival

                                                                          Median local recurrence-free interval was 23 months with a local control rate of 74.7%, 48.3% and 48.3% after 1, 2 and 3 years. Only minimum biologically effective dose (BED) to gross tumor volume (GTV) remained as independent significant factor for local control in multivariate analysis. No local recurrences were observed in lesions (n = 12) which received a minimal BED to the GTV of 120 Gy. Including 26 local recurrences, 67 patients (91%) showed disease progression after SBRT with a median time of 5 months. Median overall survival was 27 months with survival rates of 77%, 30% and 27% at 1, 3 and 5 years. On multivariate analysis only GTV volume remained as independent significant prognostic factor for overall survival (p = 0.002). No grade 3 to 5 acute toxicity and no grade 4 or 5 late toxicity occurred.

                                                                          Stereotactic body radiation therapy for liver metastases

                                                                          The best candidates for SBRT are oligometastatic patients with a good performance status (Eastern Cooperative Oncology Group 0-1 or Karfnosky >70), controlled or absent extra-hepatic disease, number of hepatic lesions ≤3, size lesions ≤3 cm, lesion distance from organs at risk (OARs) >8 mm, good liver function (Childs A) and healthy liver volume >1,000 cc. In patients with 4 liver metastases, diameter ranging from 3 to 6 cm, OARs distance between 5 and 8 mm, moderate liver function (Child B) and healthy liver volume ranging from 700 to 1,000 cc, the use of SBRT must be evaluated with caution. Patients with ≥5 hepatic lesions, diameter greater than 6 cm, OARs distance less than 5 mm, inadequate liver function (Child C) and healthy live< volume <700 cc, are unsuitable for SBRT.

                                                                          casagrayson
                                                                          Participant

                                                                            Josh, thanks for letting us know how things are going.  I can hear the frustration in your words, and I'm so sorry that there always seems to be unhappy news along with the good.  We're all here, being prayer warriors and/or cheerleaders for you.  Just stay positive and do this one day at a time.

                                                                            casagrayson
                                                                            Participant

                                                                              Josh, thanks for letting us know how things are going.  I can hear the frustration in your words, and I'm so sorry that there always seems to be unhappy news along with the good.  We're all here, being prayer warriors and/or cheerleaders for you.  Just stay positive and do this one day at a time.

                                                                              casagrayson
                                                                              Participant

                                                                                Josh, thanks for letting us know how things are going.  I can hear the frustration in your words, and I'm so sorry that there always seems to be unhappy news along with the good.  We're all here, being prayer warriors and/or cheerleaders for you.  Just stay positive and do this one day at a time.

                                                                                Mark_DC
                                                                                Participant

                                                                                  Josh, am happy to see you back and posting and replying to others. Will keep praying and hoping that the keytruda will work and that you will get the TIL and that readings (i hate these) will come down. Good luck Mark

                                                                                  Mark_DC
                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                    Josh, am happy to see you back and posting and replying to others. Will keep praying and hoping that the keytruda will work and that you will get the TIL and that readings (i hate these) will come down. Good luck Mark

                                                                                    Mark_DC
                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                      Josh, am happy to see you back and posting and replying to others. Will keep praying and hoping that the keytruda will work and that you will get the TIL and that readings (i hate these) will come down. Good luck Mark

                                                                                      Momofjake
                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                        Cancer is exhausting. Just want you to know my heart is with you. 

                                                                                        Kerri

                                                                                        Momofjake
                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                          Cancer is exhausting. Just want you to know my heart is with you. 

                                                                                          Kerri

                                                                                          Momofjake
                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                            Cancer is exhausting. Just want you to know my heart is with you. 

                                                                                            Kerri

                                                                                            maperny
                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                              Hi Josh,

                                                                                              Firstly, that LDH has come down, so something good has happened.

                                                                                              Hope you can read this.  In July, Juan was also at about 50% good liver left.  Numerous mets and some very large ones.  He had Y-90 spheres radioembolization done by Dr Mahvesh at MDA in August and second lobe 6 weeks later in September.

                                                                                              Scans this week showed continued shrinkage in liver with liver enzymes and LDH all in line now.  We were unfortunately focussed on discussing the latest LMD diagnosis, brain and bone progression from MRI's and I have not seen a copy yet of the scan to see extent of liver shrinkage but I had a message that Dr Mahvesh was pleased.  I also heard more melanoma patients are starting to get this liver treatment as it is seems to be working well.  Dr Mahvesh had previously told us it takes a year for the complete effects.

                                                                                              i have no idea if you could do this and still be able to do TIL afterwards with maybe a 3 month delay.  You could keep going with Keytruda through it.  It may position your TIL to have the best chance possible to work. We did all this after TIL and the issue with our TIL was not enough T-cells harvested.

                                                                                              i think what I am saying is if the other disease can be controlled for now and your biggest issue is the liver then this may be a solution to harness in the liver a bit and then get on with the systematic solution,

                                                                                              After being in a dire situation with Juan's liver, the ironic thing is we do seem to have got that sorted but now face an even more difficult situation.

                                                                                              So there is HOPE.  You can get through this.

                                                                                              Thinking of you and your family.

                                                                                               Maria

                                                                                              maperny
                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                Hi Josh,

                                                                                                Firstly, that LDH has come down, so something good has happened.

                                                                                                Hope you can read this.  In July, Juan was also at about 50% good liver left.  Numerous mets and some very large ones.  He had Y-90 spheres radioembolization done by Dr Mahvesh at MDA in August and second lobe 6 weeks later in September.

                                                                                                Scans this week showed continued shrinkage in liver with liver enzymes and LDH all in line now.  We were unfortunately focussed on discussing the latest LMD diagnosis, brain and bone progression from MRI's and I have not seen a copy yet of the scan to see extent of liver shrinkage but I had a message that Dr Mahvesh was pleased.  I also heard more melanoma patients are starting to get this liver treatment as it is seems to be working well.  Dr Mahvesh had previously told us it takes a year for the complete effects.

                                                                                                i have no idea if you could do this and still be able to do TIL afterwards with maybe a 3 month delay.  You could keep going with Keytruda through it.  It may position your TIL to have the best chance possible to work. We did all this after TIL and the issue with our TIL was not enough T-cells harvested.

                                                                                                i think what I am saying is if the other disease can be controlled for now and your biggest issue is the liver then this may be a solution to harness in the liver a bit and then get on with the systematic solution,

                                                                                                After being in a dire situation with Juan's liver, the ironic thing is we do seem to have got that sorted but now face an even more difficult situation.

                                                                                                So there is HOPE.  You can get through this.

                                                                                                Thinking of you and your family.

                                                                                                 Maria

                                                                                                maperny
                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                  Hi Josh,

                                                                                                  Firstly, that LDH has come down, so something good has happened.

                                                                                                  Hope you can read this.  In July, Juan was also at about 50% good liver left.  Numerous mets and some very large ones.  He had Y-90 spheres radioembolization done by Dr Mahvesh at MDA in August and second lobe 6 weeks later in September.

                                                                                                  Scans this week showed continued shrinkage in liver with liver enzymes and LDH all in line now.  We were unfortunately focussed on discussing the latest LMD diagnosis, brain and bone progression from MRI's and I have not seen a copy yet of the scan to see extent of liver shrinkage but I had a message that Dr Mahvesh was pleased.  I also heard more melanoma patients are starting to get this liver treatment as it is seems to be working well.  Dr Mahvesh had previously told us it takes a year for the complete effects.

                                                                                                  i have no idea if you could do this and still be able to do TIL afterwards with maybe a 3 month delay.  You could keep going with Keytruda through it.  It may position your TIL to have the best chance possible to work. We did all this after TIL and the issue with our TIL was not enough T-cells harvested.

                                                                                                  i think what I am saying is if the other disease can be controlled for now and your biggest issue is the liver then this may be a solution to harness in the liver a bit and then get on with the systematic solution,

                                                                                                  After being in a dire situation with Juan's liver, the ironic thing is we do seem to have got that sorted but now face an even more difficult situation.

                                                                                                  So there is HOPE.  You can get through this.

                                                                                                  Thinking of you and your family.

                                                                                                   Maria

                                                                                                    debwray
                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                      Hi Maria,

                                                                                                      Have been following your difficult journey. Thank you for posting this re liver treatment. Had seen some info on trials for this especially for occular melanoma – but a personal report of a good outcome always seems more real. Hope you can get similar good results for the spinal and other problems. Read the post about the MRIs various but struggled to know what to say. 

                                                                                                      Thank you for sharing and best of wishes to you and your family,

                                                                                                      Deb

                                                                                                      maperny
                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                        Thanks, Deb.

                                                                                                        we have an appointment wirb Dr Glitza at MDA tomorrow so at least they have sorted that quickly.  Then we can see what options there are to treat this LMD.  Also doing an embolizatiom next week of the large rib tumour which is causing all the pain, idea is to cut off blood supply to the tumour so that he may get some relief and be able to lie still for some sterotaic radiation.

                                                                                                        Once I know our plan (hope we get one) then I shall post.  

                                                                                                        Meantime, lots of prayers and hugs for Josh, Paul, you, Snowwhite's Dad, Adriana, and everyone else who is  facing a very challenging situation right now.

                                                                                                        Maria

                                                                                                         

                                                                                                        maperny
                                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                                          Thanks, Deb.

                                                                                                          we have an appointment wirb Dr Glitza at MDA tomorrow so at least they have sorted that quickly.  Then we can see what options there are to treat this LMD.  Also doing an embolizatiom next week of the large rib tumour which is causing all the pain, idea is to cut off blood supply to the tumour so that he may get some relief and be able to lie still for some sterotaic radiation.

                                                                                                          Once I know our plan (hope we get one) then I shall post.  

                                                                                                          Meantime, lots of prayers and hugs for Josh, Paul, you, Snowwhite's Dad, Adriana, and everyone else who is  facing a very challenging situation right now.

                                                                                                          Maria

                                                                                                           

                                                                                                          maperny
                                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                                            Thanks, Deb.

                                                                                                            we have an appointment wirb Dr Glitza at MDA tomorrow so at least they have sorted that quickly.  Then we can see what options there are to treat this LMD.  Also doing an embolizatiom next week of the large rib tumour which is causing all the pain, idea is to cut off blood supply to the tumour so that he may get some relief and be able to lie still for some sterotaic radiation.

                                                                                                            Once I know our plan (hope we get one) then I shall post.  

                                                                                                            Meantime, lots of prayers and hugs for Josh, Paul, you, Snowwhite's Dad, Adriana, and everyone else who is  facing a very challenging situation right now.

                                                                                                            Maria

                                                                                                             

                                                                                                            debwray
                                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                                              Hi Maria,

                                                                                                              Have been following your difficult journey. Thank you for posting this re liver treatment. Had seen some info on trials for this especially for occular melanoma – but a personal report of a good outcome always seems more real. Hope you can get similar good results for the spinal and other problems. Read the post about the MRIs various but struggled to know what to say. 

                                                                                                              Thank you for sharing and best of wishes to you and your family,

                                                                                                              Deb

                                                                                                              debwray
                                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                                Hi Maria,

                                                                                                                Have been following your difficult journey. Thank you for posting this re liver treatment. Had seen some info on trials for this especially for occular melanoma – but a personal report of a good outcome always seems more real. Hope you can get similar good results for the spinal and other problems. Read the post about the MRIs various but struggled to know what to say. 

                                                                                                                Thank you for sharing and best of wishes to you and your family,

                                                                                                                Deb

                                                                                                              jenny22
                                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                                Hey Josh-

                                                                                                                As everyone else has said, I was SOOOO happy to see your post….I had been checking since thursday.

                                                                                                                Now I am hoping that all goes well and you can start TIL on the 31st with no other bumps in the road between now and then.

                                                                                                                Tough road for sure, and your frustration with the system is understandable……but for now justhoping TIL will happen and is YOUR magic bullet.

                                                                                                                Sending good thoughts, and lots of hope!!

                                                                                                                best,

                                                                                                                jenny

                                                                                                                jenny22
                                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                                  Hey Josh-

                                                                                                                  As everyone else has said, I was SOOOO happy to see your post….I had been checking since thursday.

                                                                                                                  Now I am hoping that all goes well and you can start TIL on the 31st with no other bumps in the road between now and then.

                                                                                                                  Tough road for sure, and your frustration with the system is understandable……but for now justhoping TIL will happen and is YOUR magic bullet.

                                                                                                                  Sending good thoughts, and lots of hope!!

                                                                                                                  best,

                                                                                                                  jenny

                                                                                                                  jenny22
                                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                                    Hey Josh-

                                                                                                                    As everyone else has said, I was SOOOO happy to see your post….I had been checking since thursday.

                                                                                                                    Now I am hoping that all goes well and you can start TIL on the 31st with no other bumps in the road between now and then.

                                                                                                                    Tough road for sure, and your frustration with the system is understandable……but for now justhoping TIL will happen and is YOUR magic bullet.

                                                                                                                    Sending good thoughts, and lots of hope!!

                                                                                                                    best,

                                                                                                                    jenny

                                                                                                                      jbronicki
                                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                                        Hey josh,

                                                                                                                        It is great to hear an update from you regardless of anything else!  I totally get what you are saying about the Clinical Trial system (as someone who spent the last year reading a lot of George Carlin, i can say that these large systems are just that, large usually corrupt systems that don't think about the individual).  Also, i don't think it's negative if it's true!  I just don't understand, why they can't have a system of compassionate use and keep that data separate out of their research datasets.  As a researcher, I understand their need for "clean data" and vigorous science in whatever that looks like (and they don't want to confound things, etc), but they could have two pools of data, one a research pool with patients that have whatever parameters they need and one a compassionate use pool that isn't used for anything other than giving any patient the best shot possible if they want to roll the dice.  I'm sure money plays a role in all of this as well.    

                                                                                                                        Sorry for the negativity, just wanted to let you know i think it's ok for you to rail against the system and maintain hope at the same time, we don't live in vacuum that's for sure!

                                                                                                                        I'm just glad to hear any updates and will keep you in my positive thoughts daily. 

                                                                                                                        As always, let us know if you or family need anything at all.

                                                                                                                        cheers,

                                                                                                                         

                                                                                                                        jbronicki
                                                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                                                          Hey josh,

                                                                                                                          It is great to hear an update from you regardless of anything else!  I totally get what you are saying about the Clinical Trial system (as someone who spent the last year reading a lot of George Carlin, i can say that these large systems are just that, large usually corrupt systems that don't think about the individual).  Also, i don't think it's negative if it's true!  I just don't understand, why they can't have a system of compassionate use and keep that data separate out of their research datasets.  As a researcher, I understand their need for "clean data" and vigorous science in whatever that looks like (and they don't want to confound things, etc), but they could have two pools of data, one a research pool with patients that have whatever parameters they need and one a compassionate use pool that isn't used for anything other than giving any patient the best shot possible if they want to roll the dice.  I'm sure money plays a role in all of this as well.    

                                                                                                                          Sorry for the negativity, just wanted to let you know i think it's ok for you to rail against the system and maintain hope at the same time, we don't live in vacuum that's for sure!

                                                                                                                          I'm just glad to hear any updates and will keep you in my positive thoughts daily. 

                                                                                                                          As always, let us know if you or family need anything at all.

                                                                                                                          cheers,

                                                                                                                           

                                                                                                                          jbronicki
                                                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                                                            Hey josh,

                                                                                                                            It is great to hear an update from you regardless of anything else!  I totally get what you are saying about the Clinical Trial system (as someone who spent the last year reading a lot of George Carlin, i can say that these large systems are just that, large usually corrupt systems that don't think about the individual).  Also, i don't think it's negative if it's true!  I just don't understand, why they can't have a system of compassionate use and keep that data separate out of their research datasets.  As a researcher, I understand their need for "clean data" and vigorous science in whatever that looks like (and they don't want to confound things, etc), but they could have two pools of data, one a research pool with patients that have whatever parameters they need and one a compassionate use pool that isn't used for anything other than giving any patient the best shot possible if they want to roll the dice.  I'm sure money plays a role in all of this as well.    

                                                                                                                            Sorry for the negativity, just wanted to let you know i think it's ok for you to rail against the system and maintain hope at the same time, we don't live in vacuum that's for sure!

                                                                                                                            I'm just glad to hear any updates and will keep you in my positive thoughts daily. 

                                                                                                                            As always, let us know if you or family need anything at all.

                                                                                                                            cheers,

                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                          Mat
                                                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                                                            Josh, it sounds like you have a plan.  Not to jump on the latest post, but consider making an appt with Hamid for a few weeks out as a second option.  You can always cancel the appt.  it is so refreshing to hear of an onc willing to work with advanced patients.  It reminds me of two visits I had in NY last January.  Both were with well known melanoma rock stars.  One left me with a plan and a hopeful feeling (he turned out to be correct, at least for the moment) and the other offered no plan or hope.  Hamid is obviously in the former category.  Keep fighting and planning, and rest when you need to.

                                                                                                                            Mat
                                                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                                                              Josh, it sounds like you have a plan.  Not to jump on the latest post, but consider making an appt with Hamid for a few weeks out as a second option.  You can always cancel the appt.  it is so refreshing to hear of an onc willing to work with advanced patients.  It reminds me of two visits I had in NY last January.  Both were with well known melanoma rock stars.  One left me with a plan and a hopeful feeling (he turned out to be correct, at least for the moment) and the other offered no plan or hope.  Hamid is obviously in the former category.  Keep fighting and planning, and rest when you need to.

                                                                                                                              Mat
                                                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                                                Josh, it sounds like you have a plan.  Not to jump on the latest post, but consider making an appt with Hamid for a few weeks out as a second option.  You can always cancel the appt.  it is so refreshing to hear of an onc willing to work with advanced patients.  It reminds me of two visits I had in NY last January.  Both were with well known melanoma rock stars.  One left me with a plan and a hopeful feeling (he turned out to be correct, at least for the moment) and the other offered no plan or hope.  Hamid is obviously in the former category.  Keep fighting and planning, and rest when you need to.

                                                                                                                                  jenny22
                                                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                                                    Hi Mat- you are so right….and i'm happy to hear the postive one, appears to have been right…BUT, I am curious, who you saw in NY….both the good and the "less then good"….If you're comfortable posting that I'd d be very curious.

                                                                                                                                    And josh- you know we are all rooting for you…maybe another opinion with a seemingly very positive guy may be good for you if you're up to more travel…i know thats the tough part!!!!!

                                                                                                                                    For now,Im hoping you will start TIl on the 31st.

                                                                                                                                    best,

                                                                                                                                    jenny

                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                     

                                                                                                                                    Best,

                                                                                                                                    jenny

                                                                                                                                    Mat
                                                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                                                      Good = Wolchok

                                                                                                                                      Mat
                                                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                                                        Good = Wolchok

                                                                                                                                        Mat
                                                                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                                                                          Good = Wolchok

                                                                                                                                          jenny22
                                                                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                                                                            Hi Mat- you are so right….and i'm happy to hear the postive one, appears to have been right…BUT, I am curious, who you saw in NY….both the good and the "less then good"….If you're comfortable posting that I'd d be very curious.

                                                                                                                                            And josh- you know we are all rooting for you…maybe another opinion with a seemingly very positive guy may be good for you if you're up to more travel…i know thats the tough part!!!!!

                                                                                                                                            For now,Im hoping you will start TIl on the 31st.

                                                                                                                                            best,

                                                                                                                                            jenny

                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                            Best,

                                                                                                                                            jenny

                                                                                                                                            jenny22
                                                                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                                                                              Hi Mat- you are so right….and i'm happy to hear the postive one, appears to have been right…BUT, I am curious, who you saw in NY….both the good and the "less then good"….If you're comfortable posting that I'd d be very curious.

                                                                                                                                              And josh- you know we are all rooting for you…maybe another opinion with a seemingly very positive guy may be good for you if you're up to more travel…i know thats the tough part!!!!!

                                                                                                                                              For now,Im hoping you will start TIl on the 31st.

                                                                                                                                              best,

                                                                                                                                              jenny

                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                                              Best,

                                                                                                                                              jenny

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