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- July 18, 2011 at 6:54 pm
Hi, It seems (to me) every time someone posts a question about
alternative treatments there is usually a suggestion to go to the
"Quackwatch" web site. Here is a link about the creditability of
Hi, It seems (to me) every time someone posts a question about
alternative treatments there is usually a suggestion to go to the
"Quackwatch" web site. Here is a link about the creditability of
Quackwatch that may be of interest to readers especially those
who are interested in using unconventional treatments. See:
Best Wishes,Gene
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- July 18, 2011 at 9:43 pm
It seems to them that all modern medicine is a scam and you should only go by what they tell you.
From their website:
All our findings come from the independent research of the team that Mr. M assembled. None of it has to be "approved" by any advertising committees or government organizations.It comes to you straight and "undoctored," just as we got it… with full details and complete results and everything you need to understand how you can benefit from the therapy or cure right away.
And only Natural Health Dossier is permitted to release all the research findings that have been done for Mr. M and continue to provide its readers with new reports as they are issued.
And if you're willing to act now, you can become a founding member of Natural Health Dossier and get a year-long membership for an incredibly low rate…
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- July 18, 2011 at 9:43 pm
It seems to them that all modern medicine is a scam and you should only go by what they tell you.
From their website:
All our findings come from the independent research of the team that Mr. M assembled. None of it has to be "approved" by any advertising committees or government organizations.It comes to you straight and "undoctored," just as we got it… with full details and complete results and everything you need to understand how you can benefit from the therapy or cure right away.
And only Natural Health Dossier is permitted to release all the research findings that have been done for Mr. M and continue to provide its readers with new reports as they are issued.
And if you're willing to act now, you can become a founding member of Natural Health Dossier and get a year-long membership for an incredibly low rate…
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- July 19, 2011 at 1:06 am
I find it interesting that nhd does not provide a list of their "professionals" and their credentials. Or at least I couldn't find it.
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- July 19, 2011 at 4:27 am
RE: find it interesting that nhd does not provide a list of their "professionals" and their credentials
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OK, so where do we find the credentials for quackwatch? Please reread the article
The point here is that "quackwatch" is taken as a reliable and trusted
website and no one here has questioned their credentials… Wake up readers!
Best wishes,
Gene
PS. As you research the internet, the most important question is to ask is who is making money from this, ie… "Follow The Money!"
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- July 20, 2011 at 4:57 am
It's not Barrett who is making claims of medical effectiveness, it's the people he criticizes who do that. He is saying that there is usually no legitimate data to back up the claims made by many alterntaive proponents. In my opinion based on many years of following patient stories on MPIP, he is usually correct about this. He does take his battle too far at times.
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- July 20, 2011 at 4:57 am
It's not Barrett who is making claims of medical effectiveness, it's the people he criticizes who do that. He is saying that there is usually no legitimate data to back up the claims made by many alterntaive proponents. In my opinion based on many years of following patient stories on MPIP, he is usually correct about this. He does take his battle too far at times.
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- July 21, 2011 at 12:46 am
Hi Gene, no offence, but I think it only seems to you that every time someone posts a question about alternative treatments there's usually a suggestion to go to the"Quackwatch" web site; I hadn't noticed Quackwatch come up nearly that often and did a board search -resulting in just two other posts. http://www.melanoma.org/search/node/Quackwatch
You're obviously a staunch believer in alt med Gene, yet you've previously indicated that you've done very well on a more conventional IPI / GM-CSF trial. I expect the posters who have referred patients to investigate their alt treatments further are simply trying to encourage them look at their choices from all perspectives before laying down "The Money!"
(Interestingly, a google search of 'Quackwatch melanoma' brings this thread up first.)
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- July 25, 2011 at 1:33 am
Hello bcl,
No offense taken.
My cliff notes story is as follows:
I have been interested in alternate medicine long before my melanoma adventure began. I believe that many people could be cured if they started their treatment earlier instead of waiting for their conventional medicine to fail. Many people seek alternative medicine as a last resort and when it fails they blame alternative medicine treatments for their death. As far as my treatment, I spent a lot of time researching ALL treatments for melanoma and was fortunate enough to get into the Ipi (Yervoy) with GM-CSF trial. My oncologist has a plan B in place if the Ipi didn't work. I was previously turned down for the Oncovex trial because my tumors in my liver were to large. Realizing that there are not a lot of options for late stage melanoma I was prepared to go where ever I felt I had the best chance for success in beating this beast. It should be noted in your research on my profile that you missed one key element that is part of my success so far. That is my high range of Vitamin D. You will probably notice that I post a lot about it also and so far only one person has replied with their situation using Vitamin D. You will never hear your doctor or oncologist recommend high dose vitamin D. By the way the best way to get Vitamin D is to go out and sit in the sun at lunch time for 10 to 15 minutes. I do every chance I get. I have also researched this myth and there is no proof anywhere that sunlight causes melanoma. I actually believe that LACK of sunshine is more likely to be the cause because people are very, very vitamin D deficient.
As far as the quackwatch comment, would you believe your doctor or oncologist if he had the following credentials:
How does one separate fact from fiction? It is important to look at the facts that are on record concerning Stephen Barrett:
He does not hold a current medical license
He was never board certified in his chosen profession
He operates Quackwatch out of his Allentown, Pennsylvania basement
He makes his living “testifying” in frivolous lawsuitsfor the complete article see:
As you can see this is why I say follow the money. It is very easy to see where Mr. Barrett is coming from and it is very easy to see where the sunscreen industry is coming from. In the case of the sunscreen industry they have everyone believing the sun is bad for you and they as well as everyone else have no proof.Best Wishes to you.Gene (Stage IV) -
- July 25, 2011 at 1:33 am
Hello bcl,
No offense taken.
My cliff notes story is as follows:
I have been interested in alternate medicine long before my melanoma adventure began. I believe that many people could be cured if they started their treatment earlier instead of waiting for their conventional medicine to fail. Many people seek alternative medicine as a last resort and when it fails they blame alternative medicine treatments for their death. As far as my treatment, I spent a lot of time researching ALL treatments for melanoma and was fortunate enough to get into the Ipi (Yervoy) with GM-CSF trial. My oncologist has a plan B in place if the Ipi didn't work. I was previously turned down for the Oncovex trial because my tumors in my liver were to large. Realizing that there are not a lot of options for late stage melanoma I was prepared to go where ever I felt I had the best chance for success in beating this beast. It should be noted in your research on my profile that you missed one key element that is part of my success so far. That is my high range of Vitamin D. You will probably notice that I post a lot about it also and so far only one person has replied with their situation using Vitamin D. You will never hear your doctor or oncologist recommend high dose vitamin D. By the way the best way to get Vitamin D is to go out and sit in the sun at lunch time for 10 to 15 minutes. I do every chance I get. I have also researched this myth and there is no proof anywhere that sunlight causes melanoma. I actually believe that LACK of sunshine is more likely to be the cause because people are very, very vitamin D deficient.
As far as the quackwatch comment, would you believe your doctor or oncologist if he had the following credentials:
How does one separate fact from fiction? It is important to look at the facts that are on record concerning Stephen Barrett:
He does not hold a current medical license
He was never board certified in his chosen profession
He operates Quackwatch out of his Allentown, Pennsylvania basement
He makes his living “testifying” in frivolous lawsuitsfor the complete article see:
As you can see this is why I say follow the money. It is very easy to see where Mr. Barrett is coming from and it is very easy to see where the sunscreen industry is coming from. In the case of the sunscreen industry they have everyone believing the sun is bad for you and they as well as everyone else have no proof.Best Wishes to you.Gene (Stage IV) -
- July 21, 2011 at 12:46 am
Hi Gene, no offence, but I think it only seems to you that every time someone posts a question about alternative treatments there's usually a suggestion to go to the"Quackwatch" web site; I hadn't noticed Quackwatch come up nearly that often and did a board search -resulting in just two other posts. http://www.melanoma.org/search/node/Quackwatch
You're obviously a staunch believer in alt med Gene, yet you've previously indicated that you've done very well on a more conventional IPI / GM-CSF trial. I expect the posters who have referred patients to investigate their alt treatments further are simply trying to encourage them look at their choices from all perspectives before laying down "The Money!"
(Interestingly, a google search of 'Quackwatch melanoma' brings this thread up first.)
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- July 19, 2011 at 4:27 am
RE: find it interesting that nhd does not provide a list of their "professionals" and their credentials
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OK, so where do we find the credentials for quackwatch? Please reread the article
The point here is that "quackwatch" is taken as a reliable and trusted
website and no one here has questioned their credentials… Wake up readers!
Best wishes,
Gene
PS. As you research the internet, the most important question is to ask is who is making money from this, ie… "Follow The Money!"
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- July 25, 2011 at 2:46 am
Hi Gene, I appreciate your postings.
One thing I have to address is your belief that most people wait to start alternate treatments until they are farther along in their disease or until conventional methods have failed. I know 4 acquantences who have died from cancer in the past 5 years. Every one of them started with alternate medicine at early stage cancer.
Jeremiah: Stage 2 lympoma, began vita c injections ($2,000 a pop) through a md/naturopath. He had a very wealthy father and was able to spare no expense in his alternate treatments. After 2 years of various alternative treatments he was pronounced "cured" by the naturopath, despite swellings in most of his body. When he finally agreed to conventional chemo, he was stage 4 and it was too late. This naturopath is extremely popular in our area. This is not the first time he has pronounced a patient "cured" only to have that person die from cancer. The 14 year old boy who died the same way made the papers but this guy is still allowed to kill cancer patiens.
Sarah: esophegal cancer. Raw foods diet / juicing after surgery to remove her esophegus, and stomach. Died leaving 2 young children. In all fairness, she never really had a chance, esophagel cancer has a very poor prognosis.
Zenia: Stage 2 breast cancer, she refused all further surgery after the initial biopsy. Raw foods / juicing. Lots of supplements. Died in 8 months leaving 4 minor children.
Adan: Diagnosed with lymphoma and immediately went to a clinic in Mexico that friends told him about. He died in Mexico within 6 months. One wife and 8 children.
Since I live in Colorado, we have lots of hippies and religious cult members. They lean toward the alternative treatments. I would put most of these friends in those categories although lots of others go with alternative.
My belief: take all the supplements you want, eat as healthy as you want, do whatever alternative stuff you want but don't forgo the conventional medicine. It just is not strong enough for the ugly, deadly disease called cancer.
Nicki, Stage 3b
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- July 25, 2011 at 2:46 am
Hi Gene, I appreciate your postings.
One thing I have to address is your belief that most people wait to start alternate treatments until they are farther along in their disease or until conventional methods have failed. I know 4 acquantences who have died from cancer in the past 5 years. Every one of them started with alternate medicine at early stage cancer.
Jeremiah: Stage 2 lympoma, began vita c injections ($2,000 a pop) through a md/naturopath. He had a very wealthy father and was able to spare no expense in his alternate treatments. After 2 years of various alternative treatments he was pronounced "cured" by the naturopath, despite swellings in most of his body. When he finally agreed to conventional chemo, he was stage 4 and it was too late. This naturopath is extremely popular in our area. This is not the first time he has pronounced a patient "cured" only to have that person die from cancer. The 14 year old boy who died the same way made the papers but this guy is still allowed to kill cancer patiens.
Sarah: esophegal cancer. Raw foods diet / juicing after surgery to remove her esophegus, and stomach. Died leaving 2 young children. In all fairness, she never really had a chance, esophagel cancer has a very poor prognosis.
Zenia: Stage 2 breast cancer, she refused all further surgery after the initial biopsy. Raw foods / juicing. Lots of supplements. Died in 8 months leaving 4 minor children.
Adan: Diagnosed with lymphoma and immediately went to a clinic in Mexico that friends told him about. He died in Mexico within 6 months. One wife and 8 children.
Since I live in Colorado, we have lots of hippies and religious cult members. They lean toward the alternative treatments. I would put most of these friends in those categories although lots of others go with alternative.
My belief: take all the supplements you want, eat as healthy as you want, do whatever alternative stuff you want but don't forgo the conventional medicine. It just is not strong enough for the ugly, deadly disease called cancer.
Nicki, Stage 3b
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