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- December 9, 2016 at 7:26 pm
A little bit of a background. My dad was diagnosed in July with stage 4 melanoma in July. 13 metastasis in the Brain. Ranging from 2 millimeters to 15 millimeters. He had WBRT and scans have been stable with some improvement on the latest scan. They have been suspecting a met in his abdomen as well which on the latest pet scan had shrunk. It has been about 10 weeks since he started OPDIVO treatment. A week ago he had his fifth infusion and started experiencing some mild or diarrhea. He was hospitalized and put on 60 milligrams of prednisone. The diarrhea has now cleared. He also had some heart fibrillation and low blood pressure. He is in good spirits but very weak physically. They did another brain scan today and it looks overall stable, but slightly more swelling. They feel it is time to switch to the Inhibitors at this point. I think mainly because of these new developing physical issues.Questions:
1. Once you switch to the Inhibitors can you ever go back on Opdivo again? When you have already been on it. I feel they might not be giving the immunotherapy enough of a chance, but on the other hand his overall well-being is deteriorating. I see the point with starting the Inhibitors to get a quick response.
2. The five infusions he has already been given, does the Opdivo keep working in his body and we might see a response in a couple of weeks or so?
3. Could it be that the immunotherapy has worked on the met in the abdomen but not yet in the brain? Does it take longer for it to work in the brain?
4. And finally, does this sound like an acceptable approach? I feel that once you move onto inhibitors that is the beginning of the end since usually it does not last that long.
He is currently taking 1500 milligrams of Keppra and the 60 milligrams of prednisone. I am wondering if the fact that he is so much weaker has anything to do with the medications.
Thank you for your support. I am feeling extremely anxious and worried right now.
Annie
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- December 9, 2016 at 10:27 pm
Hi Annie, here are a few video that might help!!! Best Wishes!!!Ed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-Ivcf_YnNQ If you look on the side of the youtube page you will see others in this onclive series. Hope they help!!!Ed
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- December 9, 2016 at 10:27 pm
Hi Annie, here are a few video that might help!!! Best Wishes!!!Ed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-Ivcf_YnNQ If you look on the side of the youtube page you will see others in this onclive series. Hope they help!!!Ed
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- December 9, 2016 at 10:27 pm
Hi Annie, here are a few video that might help!!! Best Wishes!!!Ed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-Ivcf_YnNQ If you look on the side of the youtube page you will see others in this onclive series. Hope they help!!!Ed
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- December 10, 2016 at 1:19 am
Hi Annie,
Everyone is different, but here are some reports that might be of interest:
All the Melaoma Big Dogs keep admonishing…be patient with the patient….immunotherapy takes time:
Also….pseudoprogression is real….meaning increased size (swelling) of tumors as inflammation due to T cell influx occurs.
Additionally, part of this report includes charts with time to response on Keytruda…which is basically the same as Opdivo:
Then, there is the idea that one could decrease tumor size rapidly with BRAFi…then switch to (or back to)…immunotherapy…before resistance occurs.
Wishing you my best. Celeste
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- December 10, 2016 at 1:30 pm
Thank you Celeste, as always! That is so tricky, knowing WHEN to switch back…if things are going well on BRAF/MEK, making the decision to stop and move to immunotherapy again. I am hoping the 5 doses of OPDIVO he already has floating around, will kick in and do some good as the BRAF/MEK is working simultaneously.Do you think 5 doses is enough to make an impact?
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- December 10, 2016 at 1:30 pm
Thank you Celeste, as always! That is so tricky, knowing WHEN to switch back…if things are going well on BRAF/MEK, making the decision to stop and move to immunotherapy again. I am hoping the 5 doses of OPDIVO he already has floating around, will kick in and do some good as the BRAF/MEK is working simultaneously.Do you think 5 doses is enough to make an impact?
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- December 10, 2016 at 1:30 pm
Thank you Celeste, as always! That is so tricky, knowing WHEN to switch back…if things are going well on BRAF/MEK, making the decision to stop and move to immunotherapy again. I am hoping the 5 doses of OPDIVO he already has floating around, will kick in and do some good as the BRAF/MEK is working simultaneously.Do you think 5 doses is enough to make an impact?
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- December 10, 2016 at 1:19 am
Hi Annie,
Everyone is different, but here are some reports that might be of interest:
All the Melaoma Big Dogs keep admonishing…be patient with the patient….immunotherapy takes time:
Also….pseudoprogression is real….meaning increased size (swelling) of tumors as inflammation due to T cell influx occurs.
Additionally, part of this report includes charts with time to response on Keytruda…which is basically the same as Opdivo:
Then, there is the idea that one could decrease tumor size rapidly with BRAFi…then switch to (or back to)…immunotherapy…before resistance occurs.
Wishing you my best. Celeste
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- December 10, 2016 at 1:19 am
Hi Annie,
Everyone is different, but here are some reports that might be of interest:
All the Melaoma Big Dogs keep admonishing…be patient with the patient….immunotherapy takes time:
Also….pseudoprogression is real….meaning increased size (swelling) of tumors as inflammation due to T cell influx occurs.
Additionally, part of this report includes charts with time to response on Keytruda…which is basically the same as Opdivo:
Then, there is the idea that one could decrease tumor size rapidly with BRAFi…then switch to (or back to)…immunotherapy…before resistance occurs.
Wishing you my best. Celeste
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- December 10, 2016 at 11:28 am
To answer one of the questions, you can "go back" to immunotherapy after BRAF-MEK. Some patients also use PD-1 concurrently with BRAF-MEK, though my guess is that they may not do this with an older person who is presently hospitalized. The nice thing about BRAF-MEK is that when it works, it works quickly–within days, not weeks.
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- December 10, 2016 at 11:28 am
To answer one of the questions, you can "go back" to immunotherapy after BRAF-MEK. Some patients also use PD-1 concurrently with BRAF-MEK, though my guess is that they may not do this with an older person who is presently hospitalized. The nice thing about BRAF-MEK is that when it works, it works quickly–within days, not weeks.
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- December 10, 2016 at 1:32 pm
Thank you Mat. So I am thinking, possibly down the road when he recovers and gains stength back, they could add Opdivo and do both. When is the trial on that study going to be done? -
- December 10, 2016 at 1:32 pm
Thank you Mat. So I am thinking, possibly down the road when he recovers and gains stength back, they could add Opdivo and do both. When is the trial on that study going to be done? -
- December 10, 2016 at 1:32 pm
Thank you Mat. So I am thinking, possibly down the road when he recovers and gains stength back, they could add Opdivo and do both. When is the trial on that study going to be done?
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- December 10, 2016 at 11:28 am
To answer one of the questions, you can "go back" to immunotherapy after BRAF-MEK. Some patients also use PD-1 concurrently with BRAF-MEK, though my guess is that they may not do this with an older person who is presently hospitalized. The nice thing about BRAF-MEK is that when it works, it works quickly–within days, not weeks.
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- December 10, 2016 at 1:35 pm
And another question, can you get back on BRAF/MEK at a later point if you have already done a round of it? -
- December 10, 2016 at 1:35 pm
And another question, can you get back on BRAF/MEK at a later point if you have already done a round of it? -
- December 10, 2016 at 1:35 pm
And another question, can you get back on BRAF/MEK at a later point if you have already done a round of it? -
- December 10, 2016 at 2:33 pm
Here's a report on BRAF/MEK with immunotherapy: http://chaoticallypreciselifeloveandmelanoma.blogspot.com/2016/11/brafmek-combined-with-immunotherapy.html
And yes, folks have used BRAFi, and later returned to them after other treatment. There are also those who have been maintained on BRAF/MEK combo's for years through the use of alternate dosing strategies and other things. These folks are not the 'norm' but it can happen. Celeste
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- December 10, 2016 at 2:33 pm
Here's a report on BRAF/MEK with immunotherapy: http://chaoticallypreciselifeloveandmelanoma.blogspot.com/2016/11/brafmek-combined-with-immunotherapy.html
And yes, folks have used BRAFi, and later returned to them after other treatment. There are also those who have been maintained on BRAF/MEK combo's for years through the use of alternate dosing strategies and other things. These folks are not the 'norm' but it can happen. Celeste
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- December 10, 2016 at 4:15 pm
Interesying studies there Celeste. Seems a couple of them are finalized. Do they release preliminary findings? Curious to see what the results are. Hoping for a revolutionary addition that will make these inhibitors long lasting! -
- December 10, 2016 at 4:15 pm
Interesying studies there Celeste. Seems a couple of them are finalized. Do they release preliminary findings? Curious to see what the results are. Hoping for a revolutionary addition that will make these inhibitors long lasting! -
- December 10, 2016 at 5:56 pm
The last link in that post will take you to the complete article….you can branch off and do more research from there. Sometimes preliminary stats are posted…..usually only if researchers are wanting to push for a phase 2 or phase 3 trial. Clinicaltrials.gov should post where trials are at….actively recruiting, in process but no longer recruiting, complete, etc. There is a bit of lag time with those notifications. And some resuts can be found there or you can figure out titles to research. c
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- December 10, 2016 at 5:56 pm
The last link in that post will take you to the complete article….you can branch off and do more research from there. Sometimes preliminary stats are posted…..usually only if researchers are wanting to push for a phase 2 or phase 3 trial. Clinicaltrials.gov should post where trials are at….actively recruiting, in process but no longer recruiting, complete, etc. There is a bit of lag time with those notifications. And some resuts can be found there or you can figure out titles to research. c
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- December 10, 2016 at 7:27 pm
Thanks for clarifying. It says that the data collection will begin in Dec. 2016 for the study on weather continuous or intermittent dosage is better for the BRAF/MEK combo.When a study closes and they collect the info, how long usually until the results are published?
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- December 10, 2016 at 7:27 pm
Thanks for clarifying. It says that the data collection will begin in Dec. 2016 for the study on weather continuous or intermittent dosage is better for the BRAF/MEK combo.When a study closes and they collect the info, how long usually until the results are published?
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- December 10, 2016 at 7:27 pm
Thanks for clarifying. It says that the data collection will begin in Dec. 2016 for the study on weather continuous or intermittent dosage is better for the BRAF/MEK combo.When a study closes and they collect the info, how long usually until the results are published?
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- December 10, 2016 at 5:56 pm
The last link in that post will take you to the complete article….you can branch off and do more research from there. Sometimes preliminary stats are posted…..usually only if researchers are wanting to push for a phase 2 or phase 3 trial. Clinicaltrials.gov should post where trials are at….actively recruiting, in process but no longer recruiting, complete, etc. There is a bit of lag time with those notifications. And some resuts can be found there or you can figure out titles to research. c
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- December 10, 2016 at 4:15 pm
Interesying studies there Celeste. Seems a couple of them are finalized. Do they release preliminary findings? Curious to see what the results are. Hoping for a revolutionary addition that will make these inhibitors long lasting!
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- December 10, 2016 at 2:33 pm
Here's a report on BRAF/MEK with immunotherapy: http://chaoticallypreciselifeloveandmelanoma.blogspot.com/2016/11/brafmek-combined-with-immunotherapy.html
And yes, folks have used BRAFi, and later returned to them after other treatment. There are also those who have been maintained on BRAF/MEK combo's for years through the use of alternate dosing strategies and other things. These folks are not the 'norm' but it can happen. Celeste
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