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Feels like getting a treatment plan is impossible after recent stage 4 diagnosis.

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    Lddaughter
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      Hello, 

      We are new to this whole stage 4 diagnosis and we are desperate to start a treatment. A little back story, my mom got sick at the beginning of January. After an initial CT and U/S they said she has spots and wanted a liver biopsy. The liver biopsy identified our cancer was Melanoma. She has it heavily in her liver and small spots on her adrenal gland, kidney, and 2 small spots on her lungs. Good news, the brain is clear. The biopsy was sent back for mutation diagnosis but they said we won't get that until the end of next week or 2 weeks still. We are working to set up a referral to a great university department but just feel like there is nothing we can do until we get the mutation results. Is this typical to feel like you are in limbo before treatment or is there something we should be pushing for? We keep hearing that Melanoma is unlike any other cancer so reading posts from this site have been helpful! She lost a lot of energy at the beginning so we are working on diet and rest to start getting strength back. I feel slightly helpless so I can only imagine how she is feeling right now. 

       

      Thank you for reading.

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        jennunicorn
        Participant

          The time between diagnosis and starting treatment can definitely feel a bit like limbo. Waiting a week or two to find out if she has a mutation, like BRAF, will help determine if the path she wants to take is targeted therapy. The other immunotherapy options will be open to her no matter if she has a mutation or not, such as Ipi/Nivo combo or Pembro (keytruda). It's not unusal to wait a couple of weeks to start treatment, taking time to find a good melanoma specialist and figuring out a treatment path is good to do and what most of us do. 

          All the best,

            Lddaughter
            Participant

              Thank you, Jenn for the comforting words. She found out the Jan 25th it was cancer. The nurse navigator and Oncology nurse have been so kind to us. We don't know what to expect but she is stronger then she looks right now. 

            J.bun
            Participant

              Sorry you are going through this… diagnoses like this are hard on everyone.  I think every doctor must handle it differently, but mine decided to start me on ipi/nivo while we waited for my BRAF results.  

              As it turned out, I was BRAF positive – had one infusion, and then started on the targeted therapy two weeks later.  It does take some time for the pills to get cleared through insurance and then process with a pharmacy as well.  With this said, I realize I had a lot of drugs in my system over a short period of time and given the range of side effects, might not be advisable for everyone.

              Waiting is definitely very difficult – continue to press quickly & politely with all the medical depts/offices, etc.  I think this is critical to gaining the sense that you are not helpless – and thankfully there are a lot of treatment options.

                Lddaughter
                Participant

                  Thank you, thank you. After her MRI and CT today Radiology made us a disc to take with us to our specialist in KC. I called the Nurse Navigator to start the process to get her in with them as quick as possible. Her words "I can handle the pain, I can handle the nausua, I can't handle the lack of energy". With that being said, she is a fighter. 

                  J.bun
                  Participant

                    She is lucky to have you! My husband is my primary support and "caregiver" – it really makes a difference.  I know my diagnosis tears him to pieces. You are a fighter too!

                    daughter1
                    Participant

                      Hi Lddaughter.  Not only are we obviously the best daughters in the world, it seems as if our moms are going through similar journeys.  Its seems as if I am only a few days ahead of you as my mom starts her combo treatment this Monday, March 6th. I am so distraught by this journey we are on.  The last melonoma she had was 15 years ago and it was deemed clear after the surgery.  She now has a 4 cm lesion on her liver.  This forum is wonderful. I hope that maybe we can help each other through this.  We need to stay strong for our moms.  I especially need to stay strong for my two boys 10 and 13 who consider my mother their second Mom.  I can't imagine ilfe without her.  After reading these posts, I have hope that I won't have to for a very long time.  

                      Robin

                    debwray
                    Participant

                      Hi,

                      Get your consultation with a melanoma expert set up as soon as you can. If your Mum is up to it then ipi nivo combo is likely first line recommendation regardless of BRAF status if approved where you live.

                      If not- pembro or nivo as sole agents are a good option- the combo seems to confer benefits only if tumours express low levels of PD1. If the mutation analysis gives more treatment options then they could then be put in place speedily but getting your appointments lined up specialists would be the first step- together with collecting relevant info like copy scans etc. if you are in the USA- different for me in the UK.

                      I think it is easier to cope with once you have made a treatment decision but then comes the anxiety from dealing with the side effects ( which vary incredibly between individuals) and anxiety re the results of the next scan. Starting treatment definately allows a window of hope for all concerned.

                      Melanoma does bring with it a loss of control and appreciation of the really important things in your life.

                      As for diet etc- rich / high fat foods are best avoided- try to reduce liver toxic drugs- probiotics in anticipation of immunotherapy might be worth a go.

                      Sorry your family is having to deal with all of this. I would not wait for mutation result before getting second opinion/referral in place- result will probably be back by the time youmeet the docs and the waiting game is not good in helping to manage the inevitable anxiety.

                      Best of wishes to you all.It does get slightly easier to deal with after the initial shock and once you have a medical team in place you are comfortable with.

                      Hang on in there-

                      Deb

                       

                        Lddaughter
                        Participant

                          We should have our 1st specialist appt by the end of next week (crossing fingers!). We have all the scans on a disc, just waiting to figure out what office to take them to. 

                          I am in the process of moving her in with me (her daughter) out of state. She just turned 50 so seeing her spend her birthday nearly alone and sick is hard. I have a 2 year old and I am 30 weeks with my second so she is really staying positive with everything becuase of them. 

                          For her diet, we have moved to fairly vegan food – organic and primarily raw fruit/veggies and nuts/grains/and oats. She begs for a cheeseburger or donut jokingly but we are trying to help her liver detox a little as it is working the hardest right now. The oncologist that gave her her inital diagnosis wouldn't even talk about a transplant or treatments for it and just prescribed pain meds while we waited for more results. 

                          Thank you again, everything I read to her she feels like she is moving in the right direction. She feels like she is bugging the nurses by calling but I said to stop worrying about that then I end up calling and telling them I am emotional and pregnant over this and it tends to go my way. Positive is the only way we can be right now. 

                        brendon
                        Participant

                          So sorry you have to deal with this. I am in a similar spot to you mother, recently diagnosed as stage 4 and just gone through that frustrating period of waiting for results and exploring treatment options. But there are definitely things you can do in that period and it's sounds like you are doing so. Getting. The second opinion from a specialist is a smart move. I also made some dietary changes to improve my immune system during that time, guided by wonderful wife is is super knowledgeable and passionate on the role of nutrition in fighting cancer. I decided the BRAF result was not that important relative to my initial treatment decision as I had determined that immunotherapy was the right place to start given the better longer term outcomes. A test I did decided to wait on was the PD-L1 as that played a role in chosing between the single therapy or the combination. My PD-L1 came back very low so I started on the combination therapy (ipi/nivo) last week. Hang in there. As others have said, it worth taking a couple of weeks to see the right people and make the decision that makes most sense. There is less chance of second guessing that way.

                            Lddaughter
                            Participant

                              Thank you! We have done some dietary changes and are hoping to meet with a registered dietitan soon. I never thought we were going to go organic vegan but here we are, with a few exceptions. Any tips you can think of we are open ears! Ha. We just got scheduled with our melanoma specialist, Dr. Doolittle at KU Med on the March 7th so we are hopeful and excited to get started. We are trying to stay positive that it is only 12 days away. Sounds like you have a great support system as well so heres to a strong outcome for you. 🙂

                              brendon
                              Participant

                                Not sure how i managed to post my comment four times (guess it had something to do with hammering the button when it did not seem to be responding :)) – apologies for that.

                                Yes, we have pretty much gone organic vegan as well. Eliminated meat, dairy and sugar. eating maing organic vegetables, fruit and whole grains. Including some juciing to get maximum nutrient intake mith minimal churn on the body – allowing for more detox and natural healing of the body. Aslo, having some suppliments including Vit D3, pro-biotic, tumeric, etc. Happy to go into more detail on the what and why if you are interested.

                                A word of warning, many registered dieteticians, especially in hospital setting, seem to be schooled in the classic food pyramid that is influenced by the food industry and they may not be all that enlightned by the concept of food's role in enabling healing.

                                My approach is that if I am counting on my immune system to play a big role in getting rid of my mealanoma, then seems to make sense to do what i can to have my immune system working well. Lifestyle factors definatley play a role in that and its also a very empowering feeling – something i can do myself rather than just waiting around to see if the drugs work.

                                jennunicorn
                                Participant

                                  Anyone doing a vegan diet should also be taking a B-12 supplement since a vegan diet doesn't get enough B-12 into the system.

                                brendon
                                Participant

                                  So sorry you have to deal with this. I am in a similar spot to you mother, recently diagnosed as stage 4 and just gone through that frustrating period of waiting for results and exploring treatment options. But there are definitely things you can do in that period and it's sounds like you are doing so. Getting. The second opinion from a specialist is a smart move. I also made some dietary changes to improve my immune system during that time, guided by wonderful wife is is super knowledgeable and passionate on the role of nutrition in fighting cancer. I decided the BRAF result was not that important relative to my initial treatment decision as I had determined that immunotherapy was the right place to start given the better longer term outcomes. A test I did decided to wait on was the PD-L1 as that played a role in chosing between the single therapy or the combination. My PD-L1 came back very low so I started on the combination therapy (ipi/nivo) last week. Hang in there. As others have said, it worth taking a couple of weeks to see the right people and make the decision that makes most sense. There is less chance of second guessing that way.

                                  brendon
                                  Participant

                                    So sorry you have to deal with this. I am in a similar spot to you mother, recently diagnosed as stage 4 and just gone through that frustrating period of waiting for results and exploring treatment options. But there are definitely things you can do in that period and it's sounds like you are doing so. Getting. The second opinion from a specialist is a smart move. I also made some dietary changes to improve my immune system during that time, guided by wonderful wife is is super knowledgeable and passionate on the role of nutrition in fighting cancer. I decided the BRAF result was not that important relative to my initial treatment decision as I had determined that immunotherapy was the right place to start given the better longer term outcomes. A test I did decided to wait on was the PD-L1 as that played a role in chosing between the single therapy or the combination. My PD-L1 came back very low so I started on the combination therapy (ipi/nivo) last week. Hang in there. As others have said, it worth taking a couple of weeks to see the right people and make the decision that makes most sense. There is less chance of second guessing that way.

                                    brendon
                                    Participant

                                      So sorry you have to deal with this. I am in a similar spot to you mother, recently diagnosed as stage 4 and just gone through that frustrating period of waiting for results and exploring treatment options. But there are definitely things you can do in that period and it's sounds like you are doing so. Getting. The second opinion from a specialist is a smart move. I also made some dietary changes to improve my immune system during that time, guided by wonderful wife is is super knowledgeable and passionate on the role of nutrition in fighting cancer. I decided the BRAF result was not that important relative to my initial treatment decision as I had determined that immunotherapy was the right place to start given the better longer term outcomes. A test I did decided to wait on was the PD-L1 as that played a role in chosing between the single therapy or the combination. My PD-L1 came back very low so I started on the combination therapy (ipi/nivo) last week. Hang in there. As others have said, it worth taking a couple of weeks to see the right people and make the decision that makes most sense. There is less chance of second guessing that way.

                                      Mat
                                      Participant

                                        Two weeks seems like a long time to wait for BRAF confirmation.  Based on your description of the tumor burden, BRAF-MEK seems like a logical starting point if she is BRAF positive.  You can look to move to ipi-nivo following a reduction in tumor burden.  I wouldn't go crazy with diet.  

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