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Dr told dad he has Stage IV melanoma on his thigh today!

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    worried daughter
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    My dad's Dr told him he has Stage IV melanoma on his thigh. The lab staged it from a biopsy. I was under the impression that you needed a PET Scan or MRI to stage it correctly. Can he be accurately stage from a biopsy? He's scheduled to have it operated on in 2 weeks. He's 81 years old. Please help me to understand if this can be accurately staged this way, if you can. Thank You

    My dad's Dr told him he has Stage IV melanoma on his thigh. The lab staged it from a biopsy. I was under the impression that you needed a PET Scan or MRI to stage it correctly. Can he be accurately stage from a biopsy? He's scheduled to have it operated on in 2 weeks. He's 81 years old. Please help me to understand if this can be accurately staged this way, if you can. Thank You

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      shellebrownies
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      It's okay. Take a deep breath and read below; it's not nearly as bad as you think:

      People often confuse STAGE IV with Clark's LEVEL IV. Stage IV means that melanoma has spread to distant and often internal organs. This could not be told just from a lab biopsy of a skin lesion on his leg. Clark's Level is commonly "staged" during a skin biopsy. 

       

      Clark level of invasion: A method for determining the prognosis (outlook) with melanoma. The method was devised by the pathologist Wallace Clark and measures the depth of penetration of a melanoma into the skinaccording to anatomic layer.

      There are five Clark levels of invasion:

      • Level I: Melanomas confined to the outermost layer of the skin, theepidermis. Also called "melanoma in-situ."
      • Level II: Penetration by melanomas into the second layer of the skin, the dermis.
      • Levels III-IV: Melanomas invade deeper through the dermis, but are still contained completely within the skin.
      • Level V: Penetration of melanoma into the fat of the skin beneath the dermis, penetration into the third layer of the skin, the subcutis.

       

      Ask for a copy of the pathology report, and feel free to post the results here. Many knowledgeable people here could make sense of it for you. 

      As you can see, Clark's Level IV has to do with depth of the lesion. This is vastly different from a Stage IV diagnosis. Best of luck to your father!

       

      Michelle, wife of Don

      shellebrownies
      Participant

      It's okay. Take a deep breath and read below; it's not nearly as bad as you think:

      People often confuse STAGE IV with Clark's LEVEL IV. Stage IV means that melanoma has spread to distant and often internal organs. This could not be told just from a lab biopsy of a skin lesion on his leg. Clark's Level is commonly "staged" during a skin biopsy. 

       

      Clark level of invasion: A method for determining the prognosis (outlook) with melanoma. The method was devised by the pathologist Wallace Clark and measures the depth of penetration of a melanoma into the skinaccording to anatomic layer.

      There are five Clark levels of invasion:

      • Level I: Melanomas confined to the outermost layer of the skin, theepidermis. Also called "melanoma in-situ."
      • Level II: Penetration by melanomas into the second layer of the skin, the dermis.
      • Levels III-IV: Melanomas invade deeper through the dermis, but are still contained completely within the skin.
      • Level V: Penetration of melanoma into the fat of the skin beneath the dermis, penetration into the third layer of the skin, the subcutis.

       

      Ask for a copy of the pathology report, and feel free to post the results here. Many knowledgeable people here could make sense of it for you. 

      As you can see, Clark's Level IV has to do with depth of the lesion. This is vastly different from a Stage IV diagnosis. Best of luck to your father!

       

      Michelle, wife of Don

      MichaelFL
      Participant

      Hi and welcome.

      Get a copy of his pathology report and post it here. Someone will be better able to assist you.

      Michelle is 100% correct, as when first diagnosed, Clarks levels are often confused with the stages of melanoma. They are not the same thing.

      Michael

      MichaelFL
      Participant

      Hi and welcome.

      Get a copy of his pathology report and post it here. Someone will be better able to assist you.

      Michelle is 100% correct, as when first diagnosed, Clarks levels are often confused with the stages of melanoma. They are not the same thing.

      Michael

        MichaelFL
        Participant

        BTW, I did it myself when first diagnosed almost three years ago. While taking to my doctor over the phone concerning the pathology report results, and hearing the dreaded word melanoma, I confused Clarks Level II with stage II. When you hear the word cancer or melanoma, everything after that for awhile is just a fog. It happens on this board all the time with newcomers.

        Michael

        MichaelFL
        Participant

        BTW, I did it myself when first diagnosed almost three years ago. While taking to my doctor over the phone concerning the pathology report results, and hearing the dreaded word melanoma, I confused Clarks Level II with stage II. When you hear the word cancer or melanoma, everything after that for awhile is just a fog. It happens on this board all the time with newcomers.

        Michael

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