What really causes skin cancer (possibly it is not the Sun)

Who knows for sure.  Some may be genetic, but most are statistically not.  All I know is in my case, I have no family members with melanoma, but I was diagnosed with it.  I have a history of really bad childhood sunburns, multiple times.  So, for me, in my case, I absolutely think it was sun exposure/radiation causing cell/DNA damage, that would not have happened without the sun exposure.

In my case it was hormones – pregnancy hormones deffinately. A lot of women are diagnosed during pregnancy.

Poor diet – a lot of junk ,red meat etc can be reason as well ,I think

In my case it was hormones – pregnancy hormones deffinately. A lot of women are diagnosed during pregnancy.

Poor diet – a lot of junk ,red meat etc can be reason as well ,I think

Is there a scientific expert/consultant to this board that can either dispel some of the myths out there or confirm scientific facts about this kind of stuff?

Is there a scientific expert/consultant to this board that can either dispel some of the myths out there or confirm scientific facts about this kind of stuff?

I suppose no one expert ,doctor etc knows 100% truth about cancer's reasons ,what's why we do not even have 100% cure – medicines or treatments against cancer.

I suppose no one expert ,doctor etc knows 100% truth about cancer's reasons ,what's why we do not even have 100% cure – medicines or treatments against cancer.

I suppose no one expert ,doctor etc knows 100% truth about cancer's reasons ,what's why we do not even have 100% cure – medicines or treatments against cancer.

I do not believe that there is an expert in the world that can either confirm nor dispel the causes of many of the cases of melanoma.  The only relationship I have even read about is related to UVA/UVB rays and sunburns.  Somewhere I did read an article about some researcher saying that they could show the DNA change that the UVA / UVB rays generate and how they lead to some melanoma cases.  I have seen any write-ups that ties a relationship between anything and melanoma tumors in none sun exposed locations.

I do not believe that there is an expert in the world that can either confirm nor dispel the causes of many of the cases of melanoma.  The only relationship I have even read about is related to UVA/UVB rays and sunburns.  Somewhere I did read an article about some researcher saying that they could show the DNA change that the UVA / UVB rays generate and how they lead to some melanoma cases.  I have seen any write-ups that ties a relationship between anything and melanoma tumors in none sun exposed locations.

I have NOT seen any write-ups that tie a relationship between anything and melanoma tumors in none sun exposed locations.

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http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/95/11/790.full

Interesting article.

Here' another that relates UVA / UVB (I.e. -sunlight & tanning booths) to melanoma along the lines that cigarette smoke and lung cancer are linked.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091216131751.htm

The studies, of a malignant melanoma and a lung cancer, reveal for the first time essentially all the mutations in the genomes of two cancers.

Lung cancer causes around one million deaths worldwide each year: almost all are associated with smoking. The number of mutations found suggest that a typical smoker would acquire one mutation for every 15 cigarettes smoked.

Although malignant melanoma comprises only 3% of skin cancer cases, it is the cause of three out of four skin cancer deaths. The melanoma genome contained more than 30,000 mutations that carried a record of how and when they occurred during the patient's life.

"These are the two main cancers in the developed world for which we know the primary exposure," explains Professor Mike Stratton, from the Cancer Genome Project at the Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute. "For lung cancer, it is cigarette smoke and for malignant melanoma it is exposure to sunlight. With these genome sequences, we have been able to explore deep into the past of each tumour, uncovering with remarkable clarity the imprints of these environmental mutagens on DNA, which occurred years before the tumour became apparent.

"We can also see the desperate attempts of our genome to defend itself against the damage wreaked by the chemicals in cigarette smoke or the damage from ultraviolet radiation. Our cells fight back furiously to repair the damage, but frequently lose that fight."

The studies used powerful new DNA sequencing technologies to decode completely the genome of both tumour tissue and normal tissue from a lung cancer and a malignant melanoma patient. By comparing the genome sequence from the cancer to the genome from healthy tissue they could pick up the changes specific to the cancer. The studies are the first to produce comprehensive genome-wide descriptions of all classes of mutation, producing rich accounts of the genetic changes in the development of the two cancers.

"In the melanoma sample, we can see sunlight's signature writ large in the genome," says Dr Andy Futreal, from the Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute. "However, with both samples, because we have produced essentially complete catalogues, we can see other, more mysterious processes acting on the DNA. Indeed, somewhere amongst the mutations we have found lurk those that drive the cells to become cancerous. Tracking them down will be our major challenge for the next few years."

Dissident Dermatologists are few.    Sun is the bogeyman for the overwhelming majority.

But there are a few.   Here are two who don't buy the propaganda from the $500,000,000 sunscreen/sunblock industry that helps to fund much of the 'research' justifying avoiding the sun.  Check it out:

http://chetday.com/sunskincancer.htm

Dissident Dermatologists are few.    Sun is the bogeyman for the overwhelming majority.

But there are a few.   Here are two who don't buy the propaganda from the $500,000,000 sunscreen/sunblock industry that helps to fund much of the 'research' justifying avoiding the sun.  Check it out:

http://chetday.com/sunskincancer.htm

Dissident Dermatologists are few.    Sun is the bogeyman for the overwhelming majority.

But there are a few.   Here are two who don't buy the propaganda from the $500,000,000 sunscreen/sunblock industry that helps to fund much of the 'research' justifying avoiding the sun.  Check it out:

http://chetday.com/sunskincancer.htm

Dissident Dermatologists are few and far between.    Sun is the bogeyman for the overwhelming majority.

But there are a few.   Here are two who don't buy the propaganda from the $500,000,000 sunscreen/sunblock industry that helps to fund much of the 'research' justifying avoiding the sun.  Check it out:

http://chetday.com/sunskincancer.htm

Dissident Dermatologists are few and far between.    Sun is the bogeyman for the overwhelming majority.

But there are a few.   Here are two who don't buy the propaganda from the $500,000,000 sunscreen/sunblock industry that helps to fund much of the 'research' justifying avoiding the sun.  Check it out:

http://chetday.com/sunskincancer.htm

Dissident Dermatologists are few and far between.    Sun is the bogeyman for the overwhelming majority.

But there are a few.   Here are two who don't buy the propaganda from the $500,000,000 sunscreen/sunblock industry that helps to fund much of the 'research' justifying avoiding the sun.  Check it out:

http://chetday.com/sunskincancer.htm

I have NOT seen any write-ups that tie a relationship between anything and melanoma tumors in none sun exposed locations.

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http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/95/11/790.full

Interesting article.

Here' another that relates UVA / UVB (I.e. -sunlight & tanning booths) to melanoma along the lines that cigarette smoke and lung cancer are linked.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091216131751.htm

The studies, of a malignant melanoma and a lung cancer, reveal for the first time essentially all the mutations in the genomes of two cancers.

Lung cancer causes around one million deaths worldwide each year: almost all are associated with smoking. The number of mutations found suggest that a typical smoker would acquire one mutation for every 15 cigarettes smoked.

Although malignant melanoma comprises only 3% of skin cancer cases, it is the cause of three out of four skin cancer deaths. The melanoma genome contained more than 30,000 mutations that carried a record of how and when they occurred during the patient's life.

"These are the two main cancers in the developed world for which we know the primary exposure," explains Professor Mike Stratton, from the Cancer Genome Project at the Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute. "For lung cancer, it is cigarette smoke and for malignant melanoma it is exposure to sunlight. With these genome sequences, we have been able to explore deep into the past of each tumour, uncovering with remarkable clarity the imprints of these environmental mutagens on DNA, which occurred years before the tumour became apparent.

"We can also see the desperate attempts of our genome to defend itself against the damage wreaked by the chemicals in cigarette smoke or the damage from ultraviolet radiation. Our cells fight back furiously to repair the damage, but frequently lose that fight."

The studies used powerful new DNA sequencing technologies to decode completely the genome of both tumour tissue and normal tissue from a lung cancer and a malignant melanoma patient. By comparing the genome sequence from the cancer to the genome from healthy tissue they could pick up the changes specific to the cancer. The studies are the first to produce comprehensive genome-wide descriptions of all classes of mutation, producing rich accounts of the genetic changes in the development of the two cancers.

"In the melanoma sample, we can see sunlight's signature writ large in the genome," says Dr Andy Futreal, from the Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute. "However, with both samples, because we have produced essentially complete catalogues, we can see other, more mysterious processes acting on the DNA. Indeed, somewhere amongst the mutations we have found lurk those that drive the cells to become cancerous. Tracking them down will be our major challenge for the next few years."

I have NOT seen any write-ups that tie a relationship between anything and melanoma tumors in none sun exposed locations.

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http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/95/11/790.full

Interesting article.

Here' another that relates UVA / UVB (I.e. -sunlight & tanning booths) to melanoma along the lines that cigarette smoke and lung cancer are linked.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091216131751.htm

The studies, of a malignant melanoma and a lung cancer, reveal for the first time essentially all the mutations in the genomes of two cancers.

Lung cancer causes around one million deaths worldwide each year: almost all are associated with smoking. The number of mutations found suggest that a typical smoker would acquire one mutation for every 15 cigarettes smoked.

Although malignant melanoma comprises only 3% of skin cancer cases, it is the cause of three out of four skin cancer deaths. The melanoma genome contained more than 30,000 mutations that carried a record of how and when they occurred during the patient's life.

"These are the two main cancers in the developed world for which we know the primary exposure," explains Professor Mike Stratton, from the Cancer Genome Project at the Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute. "For lung cancer, it is cigarette smoke and for malignant melanoma it is exposure to sunlight. With these genome sequences, we have been able to explore deep into the past of each tumour, uncovering with remarkable clarity the imprints of these environmental mutagens on DNA, which occurred years before the tumour became apparent.

"We can also see the desperate attempts of our genome to defend itself against the damage wreaked by the chemicals in cigarette smoke or the damage from ultraviolet radiation. Our cells fight back furiously to repair the damage, but frequently lose that fight."

The studies used powerful new DNA sequencing technologies to decode completely the genome of both tumour tissue and normal tissue from a lung cancer and a malignant melanoma patient. By comparing the genome sequence from the cancer to the genome from healthy tissue they could pick up the changes specific to the cancer. The studies are the first to produce comprehensive genome-wide descriptions of all classes of mutation, producing rich accounts of the genetic changes in the development of the two cancers.

"In the melanoma sample, we can see sunlight's signature writ large in the genome," says Dr Andy Futreal, from the Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute. "However, with both samples, because we have produced essentially complete catalogues, we can see other, more mysterious processes acting on the DNA. Indeed, somewhere amongst the mutations we have found lurk those that drive the cells to become cancerous. Tracking them down will be our major challenge for the next few years."

I do not believe that there is an expert in the world that can either confirm nor dispel the causes of many of the cases of melanoma.  The only relationship I have even read about is related to UVA/UVB rays and sunburns.  Somewhere I did read an article about some researcher saying that they could show the DNA change that the UVA / UVB rays generate and how they lead to some melanoma cases.  I have seen any write-ups that ties a relationship between anything and melanoma tumors in none sun exposed locations.

Is there a scientific expert/consultant to this board that can either dispel some of the myths out there or confirm scientific facts about this kind of stuff?

In my case it was hormones – pregnancy hormones deffinately. A lot of women are diagnosed during pregnancy.

Poor diet – a lot of junk ,red meat etc can be reason as well ,I think

Who knows for sure.  Some may be genetic, but most are statistically not.  All I know is in my case, I have no family members with melanoma, but I was diagnosed with it.  I have a history of really bad childhood sunburns, multiple times.  So, for me, in my case, I absolutely think it was sun exposure/radiation causing cell/DNA damage, that would not have happened without the sun exposure.

Who knows for sure.  Some may be genetic, but most are statistically not.  All I know is in my case, I have no family members with melanoma, but I was diagnosed with it.  I have a history of really bad childhood sunburns, multiple times.  So, for me, in my case, I absolutely think it was sun exposure/radiation causing cell/DNA damage, that would not have happened without the sun exposure.

What is melanoma? What causes melanoma? There is no known cause? Any cancer affects the human body through the cells. Cancer is a disease of the cells. Cancer occurs when excessive iron accumulates in the cells, tissues and organs. Skin cancer is a multistep process during which skin cells acquire iron overload. Melanoma is disorder of iron metabolism characterized by excessive iron absorption and carcinogenic accumulation of iron in melanocytes. Iron overload can affect genetic material (DNA, RNA) and cellular organelles (mitochondria, lysosomes, cytoplasm, cytoplasmic membrane). Father of Oncology says that cancer is primarily an iron disease. Global cancer death rates are more than 50 per cent higher in men than women, because men have more iron in their bodies than women. Metastatic melanoma is a fatal disease because chemotherapy, radiation therapy, immunotherapy, and targeted therapy are not iron chelation therapies. If cancers are caused by iron-related genes (genes directly/indirectly involved in iron metabolism) and iron-related events (when excessive iron accumulates within the cells due to carcinogenic lifestyle events), then only anti-iron drugs and methods will successfully beat metastatic melanoma.  http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/opinions/176716  ;  http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/opinions/176584  ;  Vadim

What is melanoma? What causes melanoma? There is no known cause? Any cancer affects the human body through the cells. Cancer is a disease of the cells. Cancer occurs when excessive iron accumulates in the cells, tissues and organs. Skin cancer is a multistep process during which skin cells acquire iron overload. Melanoma is disorder of iron metabolism characterized by excessive iron absorption and carcinogenic accumulation of iron in melanocytes. Iron overload can affect genetic material (DNA, RNA) and cellular organelles (mitochondria, lysosomes, cytoplasm, cytoplasmic membrane). Father of Oncology says that cancer is primarily an iron disease. Global cancer death rates are more than 50 per cent higher in men than women, because men have more iron in their bodies than women. Metastatic melanoma is a fatal disease because chemotherapy, radiation therapy, immunotherapy, and targeted therapy are not iron chelation therapies. If cancers are caused by iron-related genes (genes directly/indirectly involved in iron metabolism) and iron-related events (when excessive iron accumulates within the cells due to carcinogenic lifestyle events), then only anti-iron drugs and methods will successfully beat metastatic melanoma.  http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/opinions/176716  ;  http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/opinions/176584  ;  Vadim

What is melanoma? What causes melanoma? There is no known cause? Any cancer affects the human body through the cells. Cancer is a disease of the cells. Cancer occurs when excessive iron accumulates in the cells, tissues and organs. Skin cancer is a multistep process during which skin cells acquire iron overload. Melanoma is disorder of iron metabolism characterized by excessive iron absorption and carcinogenic accumulation of iron in melanocytes. Iron overload can affect genetic material (DNA, RNA) and cellular organelles (mitochondria, lysosomes, cytoplasm, cytoplasmic membrane). Father of Oncology says that cancer is primarily an iron disease. Global cancer death rates are more than 50 per cent higher in men than women, because men have more iron in their bodies than women. Metastatic melanoma is a fatal disease because chemotherapy, radiation therapy, immunotherapy, and targeted therapy are not iron chelation therapies. If cancers are caused by iron-related genes (genes directly/indirectly involved in iron metabolism) and iron-related events (when excessive iron accumulates within the cells due to carcinogenic lifestyle events), then only anti-iron drugs and methods will successfully beat metastatic melanoma.  http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/opinions/176716  ;  http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/opinions/176584  ;  Vadim

The idea that the sun exposure is the only contributing factor to getting this cancer has never really made sense to me. In saying that, too much sun exposure like anything will lead to damage of some kind.

I watched a program on communities of centenarians throughout the world and it all came down to their general lifestyle. Their diets were in essence…simple fresh foods (small quantites) that is grown/produced locally. The other key was living a non sedentary lifestyle, they were active outdoors most of the day. I think the Western diet/lifestyle has definately contributed to the rise of cancers. There's no doubt that genetics do play a part in some cases. How do you remain so balanced in an unbalanced world? The general stresses of living contribute I believe, to the increase of cancers.  We spend our lives rushing to work, for some we sit on our chairs all day at work under fluro lights. Lunch on the run which in most cases is probably bought, then we have a drink at night after the stress of the day and end up sitting on the couch to wind down in front of the TV. That's life for most Westerners including my dad, although he never drank, and now he is stage 4 with not much time left. He never saw the sun, I think he just spent his life trying to support us and in turn he never took or had the time to care for his own health. Just my two bobs.

Nahmi from Melbourne

The idea that the sun exposure is the only contributing factor to getting this cancer has never really made sense to me. In saying that, too much sun exposure like anything will lead to damage of some kind.

I watched a program on communities of centenarians throughout the world and it all came down to their general lifestyle. Their diets were in essence…simple fresh foods (small quantites) that is grown/produced locally. The other key was living a non sedentary lifestyle, they were active outdoors most of the day. I think the Western diet/lifestyle has definately contributed to the rise of cancers. There's no doubt that genetics do play a part in some cases. How do you remain so balanced in an unbalanced world? The general stresses of living contribute I believe, to the increase of cancers.  We spend our lives rushing to work, for some we sit on our chairs all day at work under fluro lights. Lunch on the run which in most cases is probably bought, then we have a drink at night after the stress of the day and end up sitting on the couch to wind down in front of the TV. That's life for most Westerners including my dad, although he never drank, and now he is stage 4 with not much time left. He never saw the sun, I think he just spent his life trying to support us and in turn he never took or had the time to care for his own health. Just my two bobs.

Nahmi from Melbourne

I agree with you, Nahmi.

As the star oncologist at UCSD says (video available, if of interest), "the relation between the sun and melanoma is 'complex'".   In other words, it exists- both negatively and positively and in different degrees and in different exposure lengths and at different times of day and…. (etc).

Moderation in all things.   At the moment, I'm peeking at Gerson Therapy (google it), banned for treatment in the USA through AMA pressure, but followed elsewhere throughout the world.   Denigrated as quackery, it has outspoken adherents, survivors.   I reckon fruit juices, fresh vegies and fruits and the occasional coffee enema don't kill.   So why not give it a try?   

I have also looked at Gerson Therapy Bob B and I have no doubt that a healthy strict diet like that naturally contributes to better health or improved health. Melanoma on the other hand from what I've researched (since my dad has been diagnosed) is only curable when it's been caught early and cut out. My mum and I put my dad on a very healthy diet, which omitted red meat, fresh daily organic juices of all the colors of the vegie rainbow (he was stage 3B). We also shelled apricots for their kernals for over 6 months. I have no doubt that this helped his health generally but it certainly did not stop his melanoma from spreading. More than anything the diet gave us a sense of control.

One thing I've learned about this cancer from my personal experience and all the experiences I've read about on this board and the internet, is that there are so many variables. Without wanting to discourage anyone from considering these alternatives, I think once the melanoma has spread you're best chances lie in surgery (if possible) and an oncologist that is a specialist in this field.

Diet for me is all about prevention not cure. 

Hubby and I were just discussing this.   I, for one, do NOT believe it's all sun, and who didn't get burned as a child ya know. 

Wayne's mole behind his ear, never saw the sun, and it popped up like a raisin overnight it seemed.  Our Doc at MDA said he has seen 6 month olds with MELANOMA……..NO SUN !      MOTHER had NO MEL. 

I definitely think the sun is damaging, but as far it being the CAUSE of Melanoma – I just do not buy it.  Hubby is first in his family to have MEL.    BUT, he also had colon cancer 10 years before the first MEL.

I think it's CANCER, just like other cancers, just a different kind, but then who am I, but a potential widow if these treatments do not work !  

Nancy (devoted wife of 3 X Warrior Wayne)

Hubby and I were just discussing this.   I, for one, do NOT believe it's all sun, and who didn't get burned as a child ya know. 

Wayne's mole behind his ear, never saw the sun, and it popped up like a raisin overnight it seemed.  Our Doc at MDA said he has seen 6 month olds with MELANOMA……..NO SUN !      MOTHER had NO MEL. 

I definitely think the sun is damaging, but as far it being the CAUSE of Melanoma – I just do not buy it.  Hubby is first in his family to have MEL.    BUT, he also had colon cancer 10 years before the first MEL.

I think it's CANCER, just like other cancers, just a different kind, but then who am I, but a potential widow if these treatments do not work !  

Nancy (devoted wife of 3 X Warrior Wayne)

Hubby and I were just discussing this.   I, for one, do NOT believe it's all sun, and who didn't get burned as a child ya know. 

Wayne's mole behind his ear, never saw the sun, and it popped up like a raisin overnight it seemed.  Our Doc at MDA said he has seen 6 month olds with MELANOMA……..NO SUN !      MOTHER had NO MEL. 

I definitely think the sun is damaging, but as far it being the CAUSE of Melanoma – I just do not buy it.  Hubby is first in his family to have MEL.    BUT, he also had colon cancer 10 years before the first MEL.

I think it's CANCER, just like other cancers, just a different kind, but then who am I, but a potential widow if these treatments do not work !  

Nancy (devoted wife of 3 X Warrior Wayne)

I agree.   The sun can be damaging, sunburns cause mutations, etc.   But sun avoidance and sun blocks, etc are not the silver bullet they've claimed for thirty years.  The sun bogeyman has become centerpiece of an increasingly well-developed institutionalized, "primary cause" of melanoma.   Countless cases of those who have had melanomas that "may" be due to excessive sun exposure.   And counless cases of those who have had melanoma entirely without sun exposure.   I try to keep an open mind, which is not always the sign of any industry, not excluding that of the health industry itself..

I agree.   The sun can be damaging, sunburns cause mutations, etc.   But sun avoidance and sun blocks, etc are not the silver bullet they've claimed for thirty years.  The sun bogeyman has become centerpiece of an increasingly well-developed institutionalized, "primary cause" of melanoma.   Countless cases of those who have had melanomas that "may" be due to excessive sun exposure.   And counless cases of those who have had melanoma entirely without sun exposure.   I try to keep an open mind, which is not always the sign of any industry, not excluding that of the health industry itself..

I agree.   The sun can be damaging, sunburns cause mutations, etc.   But sun avoidance and sun blocks, etc are not the silver bullet they've claimed for thirty years.  The sun bogeyman has become centerpiece of an increasingly well-developed institutionalized, "primary cause" of melanoma.   Countless cases of those who have had melanomas that "may" be due to excessive sun exposure.   And counless cases of those who have had melanoma entirely without sun exposure.   I try to keep an open mind, which is not always the sign of any industry, not excluding that of the health industry itself..

I agree.   The sun can be damaging, sunburns cause mutations, etc.   But sun avoidance and sun blocks, etc are not the silver bullet they've claimed for thirty years.  The sun bogeyman has become centerpiece of an increasingly well-developed institutionalized, "primary cause" of melanoma.   Countless cases of those who have had melanomas that "may" be due to excessive sun exposure.   And counless cases of those who have had melanoma entirely without sun exposure.   I try to keep an open mind, which is not always the sign of any industry, not excluding that of the health industry itself..

I agree.   The sun can be damaging, sunburns cause mutations, etc.   But sun avoidance and sun blocks, etc are not the silver bullet they've claimed for thirty years.  The sun bogeyman has become centerpiece of an increasingly well-developed institutionalized, "primary cause" of melanoma.   Countless cases of those who have had melanomas that "may" be due to excessive sun exposure.   And counless cases of those who have had melanoma entirely without sun exposure.   I try to keep an open mind, which is not always the sign of any industry, not excluding that of the health industry itself..

I agree.   The sun can be damaging, sunburns cause mutations, etc.   But sun avoidance and sun blocks, etc are not the silver bullet they've claimed for thirty years.  The sun bogeyman has become centerpiece of an increasingly well-developed institutionalized, "primary cause" of melanoma.   Countless cases of those who have had melanomas that "may" be due to excessive sun exposure.   And counless cases of those who have had melanoma entirely without sun exposure.   I try to keep an open mind, which is not always the sign of any industry, not excluding that of the health industry itself..

I agree.   The sun can be damaging, sunburns cause mutations, etc.   But sun avoidance and sun blocks, etc are not the silver bullet they've claimed for thirty years.  The sun bogeyman has become centerpiece of an increasingly well-developed institutionalized, "primary cause" of melanoma.   Countless cases of those who have had melanomas that "may" be due to excessive sun exposure.   And counless cases of those who have had melanoma entirely without sun exposure.   I try to keep an open mind, which is not always the sign of any industry, not excluding that of the health industry itself..

I agree.   The sun can be damaging, sunburns cause mutations, etc.   But sun avoidance and sun blocks, etc are not the silver bullet they've claimed for thirty years.  The sun bogeyman has become centerpiece of an increasingly well-developed institutionalized, "primary cause" of melanoma.   Countless cases of those who have had melanomas that "may" be due to excessive sun exposure.   And counless cases of those who have had melanoma entirely without sun exposure.   I try to keep an open mind, which is not always the sign of any industry, not excluding that of the health industry itself..

I agree.   The sun can be damaging, sunburns cause mutations, etc.   But sun avoidance and sun blocks, etc are not the silver bullet they've claimed for thirty years.  The sun bogeyman has become centerpiece of an increasingly well-developed institutionalized, "primary cause" of melanoma.   Countless cases of those who have had melanomas that "may" be due to excessive sun exposure.   And counless cases of those who have had melanoma entirely without sun exposure.   I try to keep an open mind, which is not always the sign of any industry, not excluding that of the health industry itself..

I agree.   The sun can be damaging, sunburns cause mutations, etc.   But sun avoidance and sun blocks, etc are not the silver bullet they've claimed for thirty years.  The sun bogeyman has become centerpiece as an increasingly well-developed institutionalized, "primary cause" of melanoma.   Countless cases of those who have had melanomas that "may" be due to excessive sun exposure.   And counless cases of those who have had melanoma entirely without sun exposure.   I try to keep an open mind, which is not always the sign of any industry, not excluding that of the health industry itself..

I agree.   The sun can be damaging, sunburns cause mutations, etc.   But sun avoidance and sun blocks, etc are not the silver bullet they've claimed for thirty years.  The sun bogeyman has become centerpiece as an increasingly well-developed institutionalized, "primary cause" of melanoma.   Countless cases of those who have had melanomas that "may" be due to excessive sun exposure.   And counless cases of those who have had melanoma entirely without sun exposure.   I try to keep an open mind, which is not always the sign of any industry, not excluding that of the health industry itself..

I agree.   The sun can be damaging, sunburns cause mutations, etc.   But sun avoidance and sun blocks, etc are not the silver bullet they've claimed for thirty years.  The sun bogeyman has become centerpiece as an increasingly well-developed institutionalized, "primary cause" of melanoma.   Countless cases of those who have had melanomas that "may" be due to excessive sun exposure.   And counless cases of those who have had melanoma entirely without sun exposure.   I try to keep an open mind, which is not always the sign of any industry, not excluding that of the health industry itself..

I agree.   The sun can be damaging, sunburns cause mutations, etc.   But sun avoidance and sun blocks, etc are not the silver bullet they've claimed for thirty years.  The sun bogeyman has become centerpiece as an increasingly well-developed institutionalized, "primary cause" of melanoma.   Countless cases of those who have had melanomas that "may" be due to excessive sun exposure.   And counless cases of those who have had melanoma entirely without sun exposure.   I try to keep an open mind, which is not always the sign of any industry, not excluding that of the health industry itself..

I agree.   The sun can be damaging, sunburns cause mutations, etc.   But sun avoidance and sun blocks, etc are not the silver bullet they've claimed for thirty years.  The sun bogeyman has become centerpiece as an increasingly well-developed institutionalized, "primary cause" of melanoma.   Countless cases of those who have had melanomas that "may" be due to excessive sun exposure.   And counless cases of those who have had melanoma entirely without sun exposure.   I try to keep an open mind, which is not always the sign of any industry, not excluding that of the health industry itself..

I agree.   The sun can be damaging, sunburns cause mutations, etc.   But sun avoidance and sun blocks, etc are not the silver bullet they've claimed for thirty years.  The sun bogeyman has become centerpiece as an increasingly well-developed institutionalized, "primary cause" of melanoma.   Countless cases of those who have had melanomas that "may" be due to excessive sun exposure.   And counless cases of those who have had melanoma entirely without sun exposure.   I try to keep an open mind, which is not always the sign of any industry, not excluding that of the health industry itself..

A friend here watched Gerson Therapy entirely reverse ("cure"?) his wife's widely metastasized cancer.   Still, until I've had personal experience myself, it is dubious to me that diet can cure.   So for now, I am with you:  "An ounce of (diet) prevention is worth a pound of cure".   With melanoma, awareness and early surgery are key.   Just as you say, so many variables.   And so many unique individual responses, too.   I've broken the fundamental eternal vigilence, early diagnosis and treatment rule.   Tracking melanomas 8 months, 2 years and longer, respectively, really made no sense.   If I happen to get away with it, it will be a question of blind luck and individual physiology.  

As to the effects of sun, diet, and treatment, I reckon moderation in all things is the guide.   Until, of course, it no longer is.  🙂

A friend here watched Gerson Therapy entirely reverse ("cure"?) his wife's widely metastasized cancer.   Still, until I've had personal experience myself, it is dubious to me that diet can cure.   So for now, I am with you:  "An ounce of (diet) prevention is worth a pound of cure".   With melanoma, awareness and early surgery are key.   Just as you say, so many variables.   And so many unique individual responses, too.   I've broken the fundamental eternal vigilence, early diagnosis and treatment rule.   Tracking melanomas 8 months, 2 years and longer, respectively, really made no sense.   If I happen to get away with it, it will be a question of blind luck and individual physiology.  

As to the effects of sun, diet, and treatment, I reckon moderation in all things is the guide.   Until, of course, it no longer is.  🙂

A friend here watched Gerson Therapy entirely reverse ("cure"?) his wife's widely metastasized cancer.   Still, until I've had personal experience myself, it is dubious to me that diet can cure.   So for now, I am with you:  "An ounce of (diet) prevention is worth a pound of cure".   With melanoma, awareness and early surgery are key.   Just as you say, so many variables.   And so many unique individual responses, too.   I've broken the fundamental eternal vigilence, early diagnosis and treatment rule.   Tracking melanomas 8 months, 2 years and longer, respectively, really made no sense.   If I happen to get away with it, it will be a question of blind luck and individual physiology.  

As to the effects of sun, diet, and treatment, I reckon moderation in all things is the guide.   Until, of course, it no longer is.  🙂

I'm not into the diet theory for colon cancer either – as in his dad died of it as age 34 !!!    I think diet counts…..don't get me wrong……red meat, hormones, etc. but as a cause……..I don't think so.  

We have been very healthy eaters since the colon cancer, however, and continue to strive to do better.   No soft drinks in this house for decades – etc.     MSG seems to be a huge culprit in food I understand too.

It's not the diet, it's what they are doing to the diet.    I ate chickens raised on the farm……fresh veggies everyday……I've been sick as a horse my whole life.    Didn't have money for much store bought stuff.   LOLOL

So, until we know, we don't know I suppose.    You can drive yourself absolutely crazy studying DIETS and HEALTH EATING !  

BTW – I ran into a woman yesterday at a store whose husband committed suicide 2 weeks ago because the DOC would not give him sufficient PAIN MEDS FOR HIS CANCER !   Really sad……………

I'm not into the diet theory for colon cancer either – as in his dad died of it as age 34 !!!    I think diet counts…..don't get me wrong……red meat, hormones, etc. but as a cause……..I don't think so.  

We have been very healthy eaters since the colon cancer, however, and continue to strive to do better.   No soft drinks in this house for decades – etc.     MSG seems to be a huge culprit in food I understand too.

It's not the diet, it's what they are doing to the diet.    I ate chickens raised on the farm……fresh veggies everyday……I've been sick as a horse my whole life.    Didn't have money for much store bought stuff.   LOLOL

So, until we know, we don't know I suppose.    You can drive yourself absolutely crazy studying DIETS and HEALTH EATING !  

BTW – I ran into a woman yesterday at a store whose husband committed suicide 2 weeks ago because the DOC would not give him sufficient PAIN MEDS FOR HIS CANCER !   Really sad……………

I'm not into the diet theory for colon cancer either – as in his dad died of it as age 34 !!!    I think diet counts…..don't get me wrong……red meat, hormones, etc. but as a cause……..I don't think so.  

We have been very healthy eaters since the colon cancer, however, and continue to strive to do better.   No soft drinks in this house for decades – etc.     MSG seems to be a huge culprit in food I understand too.

It's not the diet, it's what they are doing to the diet.    I ate chickens raised on the farm……fresh veggies everyday……I've been sick as a horse my whole life.    Didn't have money for much store bought stuff.   LOLOL

So, until we know, we don't know I suppose.    You can drive yourself absolutely crazy studying DIETS and HEALTH EATING !  

BTW – I ran into a woman yesterday at a store whose husband committed suicide 2 weeks ago because the DOC would not give him sufficient PAIN MEDS FOR HIS CANCER !   Really sad……………

Thanks much, checking Ralph Moss now…!

Thanks much, checking Ralph Moss now…!

Thanks much, checking Ralph Moss now…!

I have also looked at Gerson Therapy Bob B and I have no doubt that a healthy strict diet like that naturally contributes to better health or improved health. Melanoma on the other hand from what I've researched (since my dad has been diagnosed) is only curable when it's been caught early and cut out. My mum and I put my dad on a very healthy diet, which omitted red meat, fresh daily organic juices of all the colors of the vegie rainbow (he was stage 3B). We also shelled apricots for their kernals for over 6 months. I have no doubt that this helped his health generally but it certainly did not stop his melanoma from spreading. More than anything the diet gave us a sense of control.

One thing I've learned about this cancer from my personal experience and all the experiences I've read about on this board and the internet, is that there are so many variables. Without wanting to discourage anyone from considering these alternatives, I think once the melanoma has spread you're best chances lie in surgery (if possible) and an oncologist that is a specialist in this field.

Diet for me is all about prevention not cure. 

I have also looked at Gerson Therapy Bob B and I have no doubt that a healthy strict diet like that naturally contributes to better health or improved health. Melanoma on the other hand from what I've researched (since my dad has been diagnosed) is only curable when it's been caught early and cut out. My mum and I put my dad on a very healthy diet, which omitted red meat, fresh daily organic juices of all the colors of the vegie rainbow (he was stage 3B). We also shelled apricots for their kernals for over 6 months. I have no doubt that this helped his health generally but it certainly did not stop his melanoma from spreading. More than anything the diet gave us a sense of control.

One thing I've learned about this cancer from my personal experience and all the experiences I've read about on this board and the internet, is that there are so many variables. Without wanting to discourage anyone from considering these alternatives, I think once the melanoma has spread you're best chances lie in surgery (if possible) and an oncologist that is a specialist in this field.

Diet for me is all about prevention not cure. 

I agree with you, Nahmi.

As the star oncologist at UCSD says (video available, if of interest), "the relation between the sun and melanoma is 'complex'".   In other words, it exists- both negatively and positively and in different degrees and in different exposure lengths and at different times of day and…. (etc).

Moderation in all things.   At the moment, I'm peeking at Gerson Therapy (google it), banned for treatment in the USA through AMA pressure, but followed elsewhere throughout the world.   Denigrated as quackery, it has outspoken adherents, survivors.   I reckon fruit juices, fresh vegies and fruits and the occasional coffee enema don't kill.   So why not give it a try?   

I agree with you, Nahmi.

As the star oncologist at UCSD says (video available, if of interest), "the relation between the sun and melanoma is 'complex'".   In other words, it exists- both negatively and positively and in different degrees and in different exposure lengths and at different times of day and…. (etc).

Moderation in all things.   At the moment, I'm peeking at Gerson Therapy (google it), banned for treatment in the USA through AMA pressure, but followed elsewhere throughout the world.   Denigrated as quackery, it has outspoken adherents, survivors.   I reckon fruit juices, fresh vegies and fruits and the occasional coffee enema don't kill.   So why not give it a try?   

The idea that the sun exposure is the only contributing factor to getting this cancer has never really made sense to me. In saying that, too much sun exposure like anything will lead to damage of some kind.

I watched a program on communities of centenarians throughout the world and it all came down to their general lifestyle. Their diets were in essence…simple fresh foods (small quantites) that is grown/produced locally. The other key was living a non sedentary lifestyle, they were active outdoors most of the day. I think the Western diet/lifestyle has definately contributed to the rise of cancers. There's no doubt that genetics do play a part in some cases. How do you remain so balanced in an unbalanced world? The general stresses of living contribute I believe, to the increase of cancers.  We spend our lives rushing to work, for some we sit on our chairs all day at work under fluro lights. Lunch on the run which in most cases is probably bought, then we have a drink at night after the stress of the day and end up sitting on the couch to wind down in front of the TV. That's life for most Westerners including my dad, although he never drank, and now he is stage 4 with not much time left. He never saw the sun, I think he just spent his life trying to support us and in turn he never took or had the time to care for his own health. Just my two bobs.

Nahmi from Melbourne

Tried to download the PDF file in the link and was not able to do it.

Nor could I.   But the abstract of the EM-link research does appear on the left side of the page.

Here's another, from "dissident" dermatologists who don't keep pointing at the sun like the sunblock industry, AMA, derms in general:

http://chetday.com/sunskincancer.htm

Nor could I.   But the abstract of the EM-link research does appear on the left side of the page.

Here's another, from "dissident" dermatologists who don't keep pointing at the sun like the sunblock industry, AMA, derms in general:

http://chetday.com/sunskincancer.htm

Nor could I.   But the abstract of the EM-link research does appear on the left side of the page.

Here's another, from "dissident" dermatologists who don't keep pointing at the sun like the sunblock industry, AMA, derms in general:

http://chetday.com/sunskincancer.htm

Tried to download the PDF file in the link and was not able to do it.

Tried to download the PDF file in the link and was not able to do it.

Excellent! 

Excellent! 

Excellent! 

Melanoma along with most other cancers and diseases or illnesses are mostly caused by the food you consume on a daily basis. Go on a whole foods plant based vegan diet/lifestyle along with using less chemical products, such as cosmetics, perfumes, creams/moisturizers, and reap the benefits. Remember you have to do this long term.

Have faith in the order of things which is the almighty providence and not some jackass fool claiming to know what is good for you like these “doctors” out there.