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Update on Dr. Steve O’Day and The Angeles Clinic

Forums General Melanoma Community Update on Dr. Steve O’Day and The Angeles Clinic

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    BellaSusan
    Participant

      Comments regarding Dr.

      Comments regarding Dr. O'Day and the efficacy of The Angeles Clinic have caused me to reflect on what I know to be true.  I am a six year Melanoma Vet, four of which have been spent dealing with metastatic disease in the liver, spleen, lungs and brain.  Through it all, I've learned one thing.  While it is nice to work with a doc with great communication skills and bedside manner; it is far more important to work with docs who have very large toolboxes with as many treatment options as possible.  Since my life has depended on clinical trials, I must add one more necessary point.  Make sure the Melanoma specialist’s clinic has stringent Standard Operating Procedures to ensure that the pharmaceutical manufacturer's protocol is being followed. You don’t want to risk the FDA closing the clinic’s trial participation due to breach of protocol.
       
      My experience with The Angeles Clinic might help you decide whether to seek treatment there. Three important observations I’ve made are:
       
      1.  The Angeles Clinic has one of the largest Melanoma Treatment Toolboxes in the US.  Post Ipi and after my third hit with brain mets, I had to get on the first round of the expanded access trial, for the BRAF inhibitor, PLX 4032/RG7204/Vemu, pronto.  Dr. O'Day's younger associate, Dr. Omid Hamid, was conducting the Vemu trial. After working with Dr. Hamid over seven Vemu cycles, I can unequivocally state that Dr. O'Day has measures in place to ensure high professional standards are maintained at the clinic.  
       
      PLEASE do not interpret from my comments that Dr. O'Day is stepping down.  As far as I know, he is only on an extended leave.  He has however had the foresight to invest in the professional resources necessary for temporary coverage as well as future growth.
       
      2.  Dr. Hamid has a decade of Melanoma treatment experience that happens to be very patient care oriented. While he has his own unique set of skills and does not parrot Dr. O'Day, he also maintains and furthers the high standards Dr. O'Day set for the clinic.  This is the kind of doc who responds to your text so quickly that you wonder when exactly he sleeps.  Currently, Dr. Hamid has seven viable options from the latest R&D, should I relapse.
       
      3.  Dr. Hamid has been dogged in his pursuit of clinical trials for The Angeles Clinic.  His youth and stamina are key because after clinic hours he researches the R&D landscape looking for the best options possible that match his patient profiles.  When he sits down with pharmaceutical trial directors, they know Dr. Hamid will deliver results that are mutually beneficial to the clinic's patient base as well as pharma.
       
      So am I dedicated to being Dr. Hamid's patient for life?  Given what I have stated prior, the only feasible answer is "No".  I am, however, Dr. Hamid’s dedicated patient for as long as he responsibly provides me with the best options possible.  I hope my comments will help you in your due diligence.

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        MichaelFL
        Participant

          So, basically, you do not like Dr. H, but you will remain his patient as long as he responsibly provides you with the best options available?

          I do not think that one can compare any two doctors as to options. It is a matter of personal choices and medical opinion as to which everyone is different. Options are based on other doctor/patient criteria as well.

            BellaSusan
            Participant

              I'm sorry if I led you to think that I did not like Dr. Hamid.  I stated, "Dr. Hamid has over a decade of Melanoma experience that happens to be very patient care oriented."  Unfortunately I have had to try a lot of clinical trials to stay alive these past six years.  I've learned the hard way that sometimes I need to go to the drug, regardless of the doc or the location.  The Braf inhibitor, Vemu, that I am on right now turned a very critical situation around in seven days.  When I talk about options, I mean access to drugs.  The fact that Dr. H is "very patient care oriented," with me, is truly wonderful and appreciated.  You can also bet that when my entire body blew up in a rash and fever ten days out on Vemu, my family was thankful that Dr. H immediatley called in response to my 5am text.  First and foremost, however,  I needed him to have access to the Roche/Genentech expanded access trial when only three sites were open this past January.  In fact, I was the first person on that trial in the country.  Keeping me alive and very strong was even more important because my son had suddenly been diagnosed with a life threatening disease of his own that has no cure.  Dr. H could have questioned my ability to follow the trial protocols but he did not blink. He buckled down with me and we pushed through together.  But again, without the drug this would all be for nought.

              I've been told I've got several months to live, more times than my kids care to remember.  My survival has been due in some part to intelligent and compassionate docs but in larger part to a treatment sequence obtained from eight institutions that my body has endured and responded to.  In my experience, however, no treatment has had the degree of impact and response speed of Vemu. 

              That said, my real intent was to share my observations of The Angeles Clinic due to Dr. O'Day's extended leave.  Does the clinic have some annoying hiccups, you bet it does…it comes with the imperfect territory of trying to save lives.  But from my six-year perspective, the "bones" of this clinic so to speak are very much in place to give me a good shot at seeing my daughter graduate from high school next June.

              If anything perhaps our dialogue can remind us that there are many ways to advocate for the care that you feel is best for your needs.

              BellaSusan
              Participant

                I'm sorry if I led you to think that I did not like Dr. Hamid.  I stated, "Dr. Hamid has over a decade of Melanoma experience that happens to be very patient care oriented."  Unfortunately I have had to try a lot of clinical trials to stay alive these past six years.  I've learned the hard way that sometimes I need to go to the drug, regardless of the doc or the location.  The Braf inhibitor, Vemu, that I am on right now turned a very critical situation around in seven days.  When I talk about options, I mean access to drugs.  The fact that Dr. H is "very patient care oriented," with me, is truly wonderful and appreciated.  You can also bet that when my entire body blew up in a rash and fever ten days out on Vemu, my family was thankful that Dr. H immediatley called in response to my 5am text.  First and foremost, however,  I needed him to have access to the Roche/Genentech expanded access trial when only three sites were open this past January.  In fact, I was the first person on that trial in the country.  Keeping me alive and very strong was even more important because my son had suddenly been diagnosed with a life threatening disease of his own that has no cure.  Dr. H could have questioned my ability to follow the trial protocols but he did not blink. He buckled down with me and we pushed through together.  But again, without the drug this would all be for nought.

                I've been told I've got several months to live, more times than my kids care to remember.  My survival has been due in some part to intelligent and compassionate docs but in larger part to a treatment sequence obtained from eight institutions that my body has endured and responded to.  In my experience, however, no treatment has had the degree of impact and response speed of Vemu. 

                That said, my real intent was to share my observations of The Angeles Clinic due to Dr. O'Day's extended leave.  Does the clinic have some annoying hiccups, you bet it does…it comes with the imperfect territory of trying to save lives.  But from my six-year perspective, the "bones" of this clinic so to speak are very much in place to give me a good shot at seeing my daughter graduate from high school next June.

                If anything perhaps our dialogue can remind us that there are many ways to advocate for the care that you feel is best for your needs.

              MichaelFL
              Participant

                So, basically, you do not like Dr. H, but you will remain his patient as long as he responsibly provides you with the best options available?

                I do not think that one can compare any two doctors as to options. It is a matter of personal choices and medical opinion as to which everyone is different. Options are based on other doctor/patient criteria as well.

                killmel
                Participant

                  I met with Dr. Hamid & found him to be pressed for time, and maybe a  little pre-occupied. Spent  15 minutes with me.

                  He gave me 3 choices for clinical trials with not much of explanation on the trials. A study coordinator then came in the exam room to review clinical trial paperwork. I felt that I was being pressured to sign the consent form for the clinical trial.

                  I felt that Dr.Hamid lacked a bed side manner. Did not come across very caring to me.

                  Yes, Angeles Clinic has lots of clinical trials and the cliinic get paid very well by the

                  pharma companies.

                  For me, I need  a doctor that treats me as a person & not a lab rat in a clinical

                  trial….Dr.Hamid just came across cold, & unfeeling. That's my 2 cents!

                    BellaSusan
                    Participant

                      I'm really sorry that your experience was less than optimal.  I am also saddened that this imperfect healthcare environment has put so much pressure on all of us.  For every doc that I've heard great things about, I've also heard negative things.  I don't know what external demands were impeding Dr. Hamid on the day of your appointment.  I do know that my experiences at seven other institutions, have taught me that all of these guys are under a lot of pressure.

                      That doesn't justify what happened to you but it does remind me that some times we have to step out of our comfort zone and tell a doc that we are making a decision that our life depends on and that we need more clarification so that we have the information necessary to make such an important decision.  I've yet to have a doc not sit down immediately after I make that statement and give me the time I need.  This same approach works really well with Study Coordinators.

                      I'm sorry you didn't get the chance to meet Dr. Hamid under better circumstances.  My experience has been that he is a good communicator with very thorough analytical skills and a quick sense of humor…who secured access to the drug that has kept me alive post three bouts with brain mets, when other institutions could not. 

                      As for the money that is being made, ten years ago I would have agreed with you.  Now, however, oncs are just as likely to lose money on a trial as make money.  I am always surprised that effiencies I take for granted in business are often foreign to medical offices.  I am also surprised how many times I have watched a clinic gear up for a trial only to have it closed down even before accrual, leaving the onc with the overhead expenses.  Perhaps your experience has been different but in my six patient years I have yet to meet a melanoma specialist who works under 12 hours a day.  15+ is more like it and they are often putting their personal lives on hold to do it.  At this point, I will never begrudge them whatever money they're making.  I am just greatful that they are willing to spend their time with this orphan disease that only kills 8,000+ a year instead of focusing on diseases that affect a much larger patient population.

                      All this aside, I truly hope that you've found a doc who is a good fit for you and can offer an effective treatment sequence.  All of us deserve no less.

                      BellaSusan
                      Participant

                        I'm really sorry that your experience was less than optimal.  I am also saddened that this imperfect healthcare environment has put so much pressure on all of us.  For every doc that I've heard great things about, I've also heard negative things.  I don't know what external demands were impeding Dr. Hamid on the day of your appointment.  I do know that my experiences at seven other institutions, have taught me that all of these guys are under a lot of pressure.

                        That doesn't justify what happened to you but it does remind me that some times we have to step out of our comfort zone and tell a doc that we are making a decision that our life depends on and that we need more clarification so that we have the information necessary to make such an important decision.  I've yet to have a doc not sit down immediately after I make that statement and give me the time I need.  This same approach works really well with Study Coordinators.

                        I'm sorry you didn't get the chance to meet Dr. Hamid under better circumstances.  My experience has been that he is a good communicator with very thorough analytical skills and a quick sense of humor…who secured access to the drug that has kept me alive post three bouts with brain mets, when other institutions could not. 

                        As for the money that is being made, ten years ago I would have agreed with you.  Now, however, oncs are just as likely to lose money on a trial as make money.  I am always surprised that effiencies I take for granted in business are often foreign to medical offices.  I am also surprised how many times I have watched a clinic gear up for a trial only to have it closed down even before accrual, leaving the onc with the overhead expenses.  Perhaps your experience has been different but in my six patient years I have yet to meet a melanoma specialist who works under 12 hours a day.  15+ is more like it and they are often putting their personal lives on hold to do it.  At this point, I will never begrudge them whatever money they're making.  I am just greatful that they are willing to spend their time with this orphan disease that only kills 8,000+ a year instead of focusing on diseases that affect a much larger patient population.

                        All this aside, I truly hope that you've found a doc who is a good fit for you and can offer an effective treatment sequence.  All of us deserve no less.

                        Lauren S. Sutton
                        Participant

                          I understand, I saw that too.

                          Lauren S. Sutton
                          Participant

                            I understand, I saw that too.

                            Lauren S. Sutton
                            Participant

                              I understand, I saw that too.

                              Lauren S. Sutton
                              Participant

                                I understand, I saw that too.

                                Lauren S. Sutton
                                Participant

                                  I understand, I saw that too.

                                  Lauren S. Sutton
                                  Participant

                                    I understand, I saw that too.

                                    Lauren S. Sutton
                                    Participant

                                      You are right about what you are saying that you are not a lab rat, its frustrating. They can afford a larger staff.

                                      Lauren S. Sutton
                                      Participant

                                        You are right about what you are saying that you are not a lab rat, its frustrating. They can afford a larger staff.

                                        Lauren S. Sutton
                                        Participant

                                          You are right about what you are saying that you are not a lab rat, its frustrating. They can afford a larger staff.

                                        killmel
                                        Participant

                                          I met with Dr. Hamid & found him to be pressed for time, and maybe a  little pre-occupied. Spent  15 minutes with me.

                                          He gave me 3 choices for clinical trials with not much of explanation on the trials. A study coordinator then came in the exam room to review clinical trial paperwork. I felt that I was being pressured to sign the consent form for the clinical trial.

                                          I felt that Dr.Hamid lacked a bed side manner. Did not come across very caring to me.

                                          Yes, Angeles Clinic has lots of clinical trials and the cliinic get paid very well by the

                                          pharma companies.

                                          For me, I need  a doctor that treats me as a person & not a lab rat in a clinical

                                          trial….Dr.Hamid just came across cold, & unfeeling. That's my 2 cents!

                                          Cooper
                                          Participant

                                            This wasn't what it said it was:  UPdate on Dr. ODay.  So where is he?  Why can't the folks say where he is.  Is he sick?  Honestly, when someone sees an oncologist for a lengthy time they want to know what happened when he disappears.  I agree about Hamid needing bedside refresher course.  Some docs it comes so naturally to treat you humanely.  Others don't want to connect because it may be emotional for them.  But you know the relationship is important for the healing.

                                            Cooper
                                            Participant

                                              This wasn't what it said it was:  UPdate on Dr. ODay.  So where is he?  Why can't the folks say where he is.  Is he sick?  Honestly, when someone sees an oncologist for a lengthy time they want to know what happened when he disappears.  I agree about Hamid needing bedside refresher course.  Some docs it comes so naturally to treat you humanely.  Others don't want to connect because it may be emotional for them.  But you know the relationship is important for the healing.

                                                killmel
                                                Participant

                                                  I totally agree with your post. I think somene should tell Dr. O'day's patient when he will be back  & why is he on extendended leave.I am an O'day patient & have a connection  with Dr. O'day not Hamid.

                                                  When the office just gives you appt. with Hamid because O'day is not there,I feel like a "non-person" that my personal preference for a doctor does not matter.

                                                  Anyone know more about where/when Dr  O'day is coming back I think someone posted late July…any updates???

                                                  hope4cure1
                                                  Participant

                                                    We were at Angeles Clinic today.  The receptionist told someone that, yes, Dr. O'Day does work out of their clinic, and that he has doctors covering him temporarily.  LIke some of you, we started with Dr. O'Day, loved him, and have also wondered about his absence.  In the interim, we have been seeing Dr. Boasberg, and have formed a great relationship with him too. He has been very open to questions, generous with his time, and demonstrates a sincere interest in us personally. I intended to ask Dr. Boasberg today about Dr. O'day, but in our jubilation after getting exciting news about my husband's scans, I forgot to ask.  We are so grateful that the Angeles Clinic has the ability to pick the ball up and run, when necessary.

                                                    That said, I do understand the unease that goes with the mystery surrounding Dr. O'Day.  I look to these doctors as demi-gods, but in reality. they are people just like us with outside lives that sometimes pull them in different directions.  Yes, I am pretty sure they make a darn good income, but I can't imagine the burdens they have chosen to carry.  A light switched on when someone talked about feeling like a non-person when their choice of doctor isn't respected.  I totally get that, but it also caused me to realize that I was viewing Dr. O'Day a little like a non-human too.  He, like us, has many concerns in his own life.  I don't feel I need to know the exact reason he isn't in the office right now……he has a right to his privacy. However, the clinic or Dr. O'Day haven't been effective in allaying our to-be-expected confusion.  Mainly, I hope that everyone feels comfortable and secure with their doctors, whether at Angeles Clinic or anywhere else, and I hold wishes for your good health.

                                                    hope4cure1
                                                    Participant

                                                      We were at Angeles Clinic today.  The receptionist told someone that, yes, Dr. O'Day does work out of their clinic, and that he has doctors covering him temporarily.  LIke some of you, we started with Dr. O'Day, loved him, and have also wondered about his absence.  In the interim, we have been seeing Dr. Boasberg, and have formed a great relationship with him too. He has been very open to questions, generous with his time, and demonstrates a sincere interest in us personally. I intended to ask Dr. Boasberg today about Dr. O'day, but in our jubilation after getting exciting news about my husband's scans, I forgot to ask.  We are so grateful that the Angeles Clinic has the ability to pick the ball up and run, when necessary.

                                                      That said, I do understand the unease that goes with the mystery surrounding Dr. O'Day.  I look to these doctors as demi-gods, but in reality. they are people just like us with outside lives that sometimes pull them in different directions.  Yes, I am pretty sure they make a darn good income, but I can't imagine the burdens they have chosen to carry.  A light switched on when someone talked about feeling like a non-person when their choice of doctor isn't respected.  I totally get that, but it also caused me to realize that I was viewing Dr. O'Day a little like a non-human too.  He, like us, has many concerns in his own life.  I don't feel I need to know the exact reason he isn't in the office right now……he has a right to his privacy. However, the clinic or Dr. O'Day haven't been effective in allaying our to-be-expected confusion.  Mainly, I hope that everyone feels comfortable and secure with their doctors, whether at Angeles Clinic or anywhere else, and I hold wishes for your good health.

                                                      killmel
                                                      Participant

                                                        I totally agree with your post. I think somene should tell Dr. O'day's patient when he will be back  & why is he on extendended leave.I am an O'day patient & have a connection  with Dr. O'day not Hamid.

                                                        When the office just gives you appt. with Hamid because O'day is not there,I feel like a "non-person" that my personal preference for a doctor does not matter.

                                                        Anyone know more about where/when Dr  O'day is coming back I think someone posted late July…any updates???

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