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- July 1, 2011 at 2:48 pm
Hi,
Hi,
i just finished my localized treatment protocol to my axilla lymph gland area…i had two reoccurances since april 2011when i was diagnosed as stage 3c…i had a ct yesterday and had planned on doing my adjuvent therapy right away and now i am sitting here waiting on pet scan to confirm lung /liver…what i need from this community is ideas for my next treatment options…do you think i am nuts to consider dr wolchuk's phase one trial with ipi combos at sloan? i know the mel i have is super aggressive…i haven't even begun any bio yet as the tumors keep popping up and the surgeons keep whacking…the onc is meeting with me later today to go over results and treatment options…i am good with treatment option for stage 3c if i am lucky today…but, stage 4 opens up a new pandora box and i will need help navigating…maybe micheal fl, charlie or valin could respond?
boots
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- July 1, 2011 at 6:21 pm
Sorry to hear boots that you are now in this dilemna. I thank you for your support back a few weeks ago when I was very worried about decisions. I do hope that your scans come back better than you are believing. From what you have written, I know you are pretty well-informed.
I will give you my thoughts as to date..but be aware sometimes they change from time to time after listening to some of our colleagues on the site….Dr. Wolchuk's combinations with ipi sound like an excellent way to go..I did temodar prior to ipi, it was 'less' intrusive on the body, but now after reading up, I wish I had done the dicarbazine..seems to support ipi better. Anyways, I never regretted taking ipi although eventually it stopped working for me…but I believe it was the best first round of action when I went stage IV. Glad you are asking Charlie and Michael for their advice, I hope they see your question…another person I would ask is Jimmy B. who has done a lot of research…actually there are so many that can help you here.
Sent home to go forward with palliative radiation on lymph node and morphine, I decided I better get cracking. I figured either TIL, IL-2 or biochem after failing ipi…and most fortunately, I saw Warren G.'s comment about surviving 5 years after treatment at NIH. His blog is http://wgalinat.blogspot.com/ , he was a tremendous help…note he too had spot on lung. I then contact NIH…and now will be on the following trial…a bit tough but I need to play really hardball with mel right now and I am so thankful that they accepted me into the trial I wanted:
http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01319565?term=11-c-0123&rank=1
Word of warning, I nearly proceeded with palliative radiation since it was only one week long (but gut instinct said 'no' so I postponed)….it would have most likely 'sunk' me with this trial so tread very carefully. I was very impressed with Bruce in NH's oncologist who has supported him by making arrangements for him to apply for NIH…if you don't have that support…call yourself, I did.
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- July 1, 2011 at 6:21 pm
Sorry to hear boots that you are now in this dilemna. I thank you for your support back a few weeks ago when I was very worried about decisions. I do hope that your scans come back better than you are believing. From what you have written, I know you are pretty well-informed.
I will give you my thoughts as to date..but be aware sometimes they change from time to time after listening to some of our colleagues on the site….Dr. Wolchuk's combinations with ipi sound like an excellent way to go..I did temodar prior to ipi, it was 'less' intrusive on the body, but now after reading up, I wish I had done the dicarbazine..seems to support ipi better. Anyways, I never regretted taking ipi although eventually it stopped working for me…but I believe it was the best first round of action when I went stage IV. Glad you are asking Charlie and Michael for their advice, I hope they see your question…another person I would ask is Jimmy B. who has done a lot of research…actually there are so many that can help you here.
Sent home to go forward with palliative radiation on lymph node and morphine, I decided I better get cracking. I figured either TIL, IL-2 or biochem after failing ipi…and most fortunately, I saw Warren G.'s comment about surviving 5 years after treatment at NIH. His blog is http://wgalinat.blogspot.com/ , he was a tremendous help…note he too had spot on lung. I then contact NIH…and now will be on the following trial…a bit tough but I need to play really hardball with mel right now and I am so thankful that they accepted me into the trial I wanted:
http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01319565?term=11-c-0123&rank=1
Word of warning, I nearly proceeded with palliative radiation since it was only one week long (but gut instinct said 'no' so I postponed)….it would have most likely 'sunk' me with this trial so tread very carefully. I was very impressed with Bruce in NH's oncologist who has supported him by making arrangements for him to apply for NIH…if you don't have that support…call yourself, I did.
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- July 2, 2011 at 4:06 am
Boots, I am sorry to read this. I agree that it does appear that your melanoma is super
aggressive. If the PET scan results find melanoma in the lungs and liver, then it is
certainly time to look at what will give you the greatest chance of achieving a durable
remission.As mentioned by ValinMtl, the treatment at NIH is probably your best option. They use a
form of adoptive cell therapy (also called TIL treatment). It may also be available
elsewhere, but it is a very specialised procedure that requires real expertise.Ipi combos may work for some people, but I really doubt that the long-term results will be
as good as adoptive cell therapy.Hope this helps.
Frank from Australia
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- July 2, 2011 at 4:06 am
Boots, I am sorry to read this. I agree that it does appear that your melanoma is super
aggressive. If the PET scan results find melanoma in the lungs and liver, then it is
certainly time to look at what will give you the greatest chance of achieving a durable
remission.As mentioned by ValinMtl, the treatment at NIH is probably your best option. They use a
form of adoptive cell therapy (also called TIL treatment). It may also be available
elsewhere, but it is a very specialised procedure that requires real expertise.Ipi combos may work for some people, but I really doubt that the long-term results will be
as good as adoptive cell therapy.Hope this helps.
Frank from Australia
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- July 2, 2011 at 10:27 am
I went immediately to IL-2 upon learning that I had innumerable lung mets in Feb 2007. After two weeks (1 round of the IL-2) a scan said possible liver mets. After another week (week 1 of round 2) the liver mets stopped growing and never started up again. My lung tumors were partial responders to the IL-2 in that they stopped growing for 20 months. This 20 month delay let one per review paper be published on the first drug (before any formal clinical trials were run) on Gleevec (an FDA approved cancer treatment for other cancers that tested positive for c-kit.) Based on this one paper my Oncology team went along with my request to try it. I have been stable for 2 1/4 years now on the Gleevec since I am positive for c-kit.
If you test positive for one of the targeted drugs, they are a likely possibility. If not, my first choice would be either IL-2 or Ipi. Possibly one of them them followed up with the other one (as worked for Jimmy B James Breitfeller
There are other trials that are appearing as likely candidates.
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- July 2, 2011 at 10:27 am
I went immediately to IL-2 upon learning that I had innumerable lung mets in Feb 2007. After two weeks (1 round of the IL-2) a scan said possible liver mets. After another week (week 1 of round 2) the liver mets stopped growing and never started up again. My lung tumors were partial responders to the IL-2 in that they stopped growing for 20 months. This 20 month delay let one per review paper be published on the first drug (before any formal clinical trials were run) on Gleevec (an FDA approved cancer treatment for other cancers that tested positive for c-kit.) Based on this one paper my Oncology team went along with my request to try it. I have been stable for 2 1/4 years now on the Gleevec since I am positive for c-kit.
If you test positive for one of the targeted drugs, they are a likely possibility. If not, my first choice would be either IL-2 or Ipi. Possibly one of them them followed up with the other one (as worked for Jimmy B James Breitfeller
There are other trials that are appearing as likely candidates.
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- July 2, 2011 at 1:33 pm
Boots,
Hey, I wish I had some pearls of wisdom for you, but being in the same "graduating class", I'm not sure that I do. Obviously, we know about aggressive melanoma, but I would think the fact that he's responding ridiculously well to chemotherapy would not be that helpful to you.
Still, I know how much being where you are s*cks. BRAF drugs, if you qualify, work quickly, but it will take 2-3 weeks to find out if you're eligible, so you should get them on it right away if you find out your staging has changed. It might be something you could do while they culture TIL cells? TIL certainly seems like a promising treatment worth looking into.
I really hope things have not progressed for you, but regardless of the results, I am here for you if you need support or want to talk.
Michelle, wife of Don
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- July 2, 2011 at 1:33 pm
Boots,
Hey, I wish I had some pearls of wisdom for you, but being in the same "graduating class", I'm not sure that I do. Obviously, we know about aggressive melanoma, but I would think the fact that he's responding ridiculously well to chemotherapy would not be that helpful to you.
Still, I know how much being where you are s*cks. BRAF drugs, if you qualify, work quickly, but it will take 2-3 weeks to find out if you're eligible, so you should get them on it right away if you find out your staging has changed. It might be something you could do while they culture TIL cells? TIL certainly seems like a promising treatment worth looking into.
I really hope things have not progressed for you, but regardless of the results, I am here for you if you need support or want to talk.
Michelle, wife of Don
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- July 4, 2011 at 1:16 am
Thank you guys for helping me with your own experiences…i finally called my Onc after spending the last few days doing part of my bucket list…sailing…
anyway…i do have liver mel…lung spots didn't light up 'hot enough' to call it mel…it's questionable..
the onc wants to start me on chemo cocktail immediately…temador is one of them…i think also vinblastine and cisplatin…she wants to do 2 rounds 5 days a week for 6 weeks and rescan///if it is working she wants to do 2 more rounds….her rational was i had very aggressive mel and it takes awhile for immunotherapy to work and she wants to stop the spreading first…mentioned a plexxon trial for later or il 2…i still don't have my braf test back…what say you all? jerry and valin and jim and charlie please respond…
boots
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- July 4, 2011 at 1:16 am
Thank you guys for helping me with your own experiences…i finally called my Onc after spending the last few days doing part of my bucket list…sailing…
anyway…i do have liver mel…lung spots didn't light up 'hot enough' to call it mel…it's questionable..
the onc wants to start me on chemo cocktail immediately…temador is one of them…i think also vinblastine and cisplatin…she wants to do 2 rounds 5 days a week for 6 weeks and rescan///if it is working she wants to do 2 more rounds….her rational was i had very aggressive mel and it takes awhile for immunotherapy to work and she wants to stop the spreading first…mentioned a plexxon trial for later or il 2…i still don't have my braf test back…what say you all? jerry and valin and jim and charlie please respond…
boots
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- July 4, 2011 at 2:22 am
Did she give reasoning on why not try IL2 first? You know after the first round if there is a response or not. While the rates aren't good for response there have been many who have been complete responders.
While I haven't done IL2 and I do know it is a very rough treatment you don't want to wait until your health is compromised to try this option. One of my questions is, is this being offered because it's available to your oncologist where other options aren't.
I'm sorry that your progressions have been so quick. You might want to repost so that you an change your title and also to bring your question to the top of the board.
Linda
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- July 4, 2011 at 2:22 am
Did she give reasoning on why not try IL2 first? You know after the first round if there is a response or not. While the rates aren't good for response there have been many who have been complete responders.
While I haven't done IL2 and I do know it is a very rough treatment you don't want to wait until your health is compromised to try this option. One of my questions is, is this being offered because it's available to your oncologist where other options aren't.
I'm sorry that your progressions have been so quick. You might want to repost so that you an change your title and also to bring your question to the top of the board.
Linda
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- July 4, 2011 at 2:26 am
Boots,
Research the trials you may be interested in and find out if chemo will wash you out or if there is a wait period. If you are BRAF positive, those drugs also work quickly. Has the doctor given you any idea of how long it will take to get the BRAF results back?
If it is of any help to you, my husband is on a regimen of carboplatin/paclitaxel (Taxol) once every three weeks. His mel is extremely aggressive and it has worked great for him. I know someone else on here had taken carboplatin/paclitaxel/temodar combo and went NED from it. (I think she is getting her next scan this month) Isn't temodar usually used for brain mets, though?
I also wonder about the lower dose/more often dosing on the chemo; will it work as well as the high dose/3 week regimen?
There is a Hoffman La Roche trial opening up that is basically compassionate use (they make the BRAF drug in conjunction with Plexxicon); maybe this is where your doctor is thinking to put you after chemo if you turn out to be BRAF.
Temodar: http://www.chemocare.com/bio/temodar.asp
Cisplatin: http://www.chemocare.com/bio/cisplatin.asp
Vinblastine: http://www.chemocare.com/bio/vinblastine.asp
And, just for the heck of it, here are the 2 Don is on:
Carboplatin: http://www.chemocare.com/bio/carboplatin.asp
Taxol: http://www.chemocare.com/bio/taxol.asp
Hopefully, you'll get some of the veterans to chime in and give you some more perspective. If there's anything I can do for you, boots, please let me know!
Michelle, wife of Don
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- July 4, 2011 at 2:26 am
Boots,
Research the trials you may be interested in and find out if chemo will wash you out or if there is a wait period. If you are BRAF positive, those drugs also work quickly. Has the doctor given you any idea of how long it will take to get the BRAF results back?
If it is of any help to you, my husband is on a regimen of carboplatin/paclitaxel (Taxol) once every three weeks. His mel is extremely aggressive and it has worked great for him. I know someone else on here had taken carboplatin/paclitaxel/temodar combo and went NED from it. (I think she is getting her next scan this month) Isn't temodar usually used for brain mets, though?
I also wonder about the lower dose/more often dosing on the chemo; will it work as well as the high dose/3 week regimen?
There is a Hoffman La Roche trial opening up that is basically compassionate use (they make the BRAF drug in conjunction with Plexxicon); maybe this is where your doctor is thinking to put you after chemo if you turn out to be BRAF.
Temodar: http://www.chemocare.com/bio/temodar.asp
Cisplatin: http://www.chemocare.com/bio/cisplatin.asp
Vinblastine: http://www.chemocare.com/bio/vinblastine.asp
And, just for the heck of it, here are the 2 Don is on:
Carboplatin: http://www.chemocare.com/bio/carboplatin.asp
Taxol: http://www.chemocare.com/bio/taxol.asp
Hopefully, you'll get some of the veterans to chime in and give you some more perspective. If there's anything I can do for you, boots, please let me know!
Michelle, wife of Don
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- July 4, 2011 at 2:58 am
I thank you for all the leads and support…
the rational for not doing IL2 now was that it was rough stuff and took awhile for it to work…and she wants to stop the progression first and possibly reverse it before starting me on immuno…i am sitting here still digesting it…as i do not have my rational thinking cap on right now…in shock…i downloaded valin's clinical trial TIL therapy…good to know Don's protocol…i am having that mole that was removed repathed again using the same staining as they used on my tumor…come hell or high water…i STILL BELEIVE THAT WAS THE SOURCE AND SOMEONE SCREWED UP…
mY Onc called to see if my Braf results were ready and still not…but, she doesn't want to wait…she wants this chemo started tuesday…i want to make sure that i write down chemo drugs that worked in Don's case and Valin's clinical trial…i still don't know how big the spot on my liver is…won't know til tuesday as pet was friday and consult was over the phone today…i just can't get a break long enough to sort this out…so need to do a working July 4th…which is the reason we talked today because for the last two days i was on my quiet smooth lovely little sailboat with a 6pack of woodchuck with no communocado so i could stay sane….i called my 3rd consult at clevo clinic friday -have no idea why except i need input…so guess will also talk with him tue…the days of hemming and hawing are over…
in the end…i think she is thinking like Don's doc…stop the progression of aggression before yervoy, il2 or clinical trial…she talked about that…she said she has had good response from this protocol in others…chemo/il2…
now that i have a diseased liver…i don't even know if i should be doing vitamin protocols or just drink water or what…i am big on suppliments…i will check out all your leads…print them out…line them up and pray…a way out of this trust/distrust /right/wrong decision…i really don't know how you do it guys…but i respect the heck out of you.
choel (boots)
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- July 4, 2011 at 2:58 am
I thank you for all the leads and support…
the rational for not doing IL2 now was that it was rough stuff and took awhile for it to work…and she wants to stop the progression first and possibly reverse it before starting me on immuno…i am sitting here still digesting it…as i do not have my rational thinking cap on right now…in shock…i downloaded valin's clinical trial TIL therapy…good to know Don's protocol…i am having that mole that was removed repathed again using the same staining as they used on my tumor…come hell or high water…i STILL BELEIVE THAT WAS THE SOURCE AND SOMEONE SCREWED UP…
mY Onc called to see if my Braf results were ready and still not…but, she doesn't want to wait…she wants this chemo started tuesday…i want to make sure that i write down chemo drugs that worked in Don's case and Valin's clinical trial…i still don't know how big the spot on my liver is…won't know til tuesday as pet was friday and consult was over the phone today…i just can't get a break long enough to sort this out…so need to do a working July 4th…which is the reason we talked today because for the last two days i was on my quiet smooth lovely little sailboat with a 6pack of woodchuck with no communocado so i could stay sane….i called my 3rd consult at clevo clinic friday -have no idea why except i need input…so guess will also talk with him tue…the days of hemming and hawing are over…
in the end…i think she is thinking like Don's doc…stop the progression of aggression before yervoy, il2 or clinical trial…she talked about that…she said she has had good response from this protocol in others…chemo/il2…
now that i have a diseased liver…i don't even know if i should be doing vitamin protocols or just drink water or what…i am big on suppliments…i will check out all your leads…print them out…line them up and pray…a way out of this trust/distrust /right/wrong decision…i really don't know how you do it guys…but i respect the heck out of you.
choel (boots)
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- July 4, 2011 at 3:08 am
Be 100% honest with the supplements your on with your onc. You don't want an interaction or even a bad side effect. When I started radiation they even took me off of my vitamin E! Allowed me to stay on Vit D because I have a deficiency and it wasn't an unneeded supplement.
I know that you need to respond quickly, however you also need to be sure of what direction you want to take. The holiday's have not helped you. If there is someone you want to talk to for a second opinion starting chemo Wed or Thursday shouldn't make a difference. I wonder if the onc. calls and asks when your braf testing will be done if they would tell her. If you start the chemo coctail you will have a 30 day washout for most trials.
Linda
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- July 4, 2011 at 3:08 am
Be 100% honest with the supplements your on with your onc. You don't want an interaction or even a bad side effect. When I started radiation they even took me off of my vitamin E! Allowed me to stay on Vit D because I have a deficiency and it wasn't an unneeded supplement.
I know that you need to respond quickly, however you also need to be sure of what direction you want to take. The holiday's have not helped you. If there is someone you want to talk to for a second opinion starting chemo Wed or Thursday shouldn't make a difference. I wonder if the onc. calls and asks when your braf testing will be done if they would tell her. If you start the chemo coctail you will have a 30 day washout for most trials.
Linda
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- July 4, 2011 at 3:32 am
she knows everything i am on…yes…i want more input…put a call into my third consult…the nurse gave me his direct number…he knows my onc…but, if he has a clinical trial she doesnt he feels might work better…well, good to know! thanks Linda.
choel
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- July 4, 2011 at 3:32 am
she knows everything i am on…yes…i want more input…put a call into my third consult…the nurse gave me his direct number…he knows my onc…but, if he has a clinical trial she doesnt he feels might work better…well, good to know! thanks Linda.
choel
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- July 4, 2011 at 3:35 am
thanks for the 30 day wash out caution…and my braf results should be back by next week…can't believe it takes that long…(from June 5th to now? one whole month?)…what BS.
i know about angel flight and all that so i can definitely get wherever i need to go.
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- July 4, 2011 at 3:35 am
thanks for the 30 day wash out caution…and my braf results should be back by next week…can't believe it takes that long…(from June 5th to now? one whole month?)…what BS.
i know about angel flight and all that so i can definitely get wherever i need to go.
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