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Long-term / side effects of steroids?

Forums General Melanoma Community Long-term / side effects of steroids?

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    Maria C
    Participant

      Hi all,

      Just did a search on this forum about steroids as I've been on and off them for the past 5 months, and am currently on another fairly long dose of them. Starting to get concerned about the short and/or long term side effects of taking predisone for the side effects of ipi/nivo. (like so many health issues, one complication leads to another…)

      Has anyone learned (by either research or the hard way!) what to look out for, and if there's anything one can do naturally to counterbalance whatever havoc steroids tend to unleash on one's system?

      Many thanks in advance for any advice –

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        Kengeo3
        Participant

          Hi Maria–I had four infusions of nivo+ipi in early 2014 on a clinical trial and had severe side effects which were treated with large and ongoing doses of prednisone.  With me, the prednisone resulted in muscle loss, and a certain amount of bone loss (osteopenia).    Some people gain a lot of weight on them, but I didn't.   It's important to excercise as much as you can, especially weight bearing exercises, and make sure you are getting plenty of calcium, magnesium, vit D etc. for your bones.  At some point in the future you may want to have a bone density scan (no radiation) done.

           

          Hopefully, you will get off of the prednisone soon.   My last bout of T cell rampage was about 3 months after my last infusion.    Large doses of prednison also suppresses the immune system, which seems ironic, since you want your immune system killing the cancer, but from what I understand, the docs don't believe that it affects the efficacy of the treatment.  In my case, my T cells infiltrated lots of different places, and neither my thyroid nor my adrenal glands work anymore, so I am on replacement synthroid and hydrocortisone, and I'm doing pretty well.  

          Good luck,  Ken

          Kengeo3
          Participant

            Hi Maria–I had four infusions of nivo+ipi in early 2014 on a clinical trial and had severe side effects which were treated with large and ongoing doses of prednisone.  With me, the prednisone resulted in muscle loss, and a certain amount of bone loss (osteopenia).    Some people gain a lot of weight on them, but I didn't.   It's important to excercise as much as you can, especially weight bearing exercises, and make sure you are getting plenty of calcium, magnesium, vit D etc. for your bones.  At some point in the future you may want to have a bone density scan (no radiation) done.

             

            Hopefully, you will get off of the prednisone soon.   My last bout of T cell rampage was about 3 months after my last infusion.    Large doses of prednison also suppresses the immune system, which seems ironic, since you want your immune system killing the cancer, but from what I understand, the docs don't believe that it affects the efficacy of the treatment.  In my case, my T cells infiltrated lots of different places, and neither my thyroid nor my adrenal glands work anymore, so I am on replacement synthroid and hydrocortisone, and I'm doing pretty well.  

            Good luck,  Ken

              Maria C
              Participant

                Ken, thank you for sharing, and I will definitely follow up with my oncologist about whether supplements for calcium, magnesium, Vit D, etc. are OK – I want to get clearance before I take anything else, as so much is in my system now and who knows what messes with what…

                Really appreciate your encouragement to exercise, which is long overdue because of the pneuminotis, and that is one GOOD thing about the steroids is that I can breathe more freely to get out and about. 

                Glad to hear that you are doing well despite the thyroid and adrenal glands shutting down….can't imagine. How long were you on predisone each time after the 4 infusions? After my first, I had a severe reaction that led to about 6 weeks of steroid treatment, after the 2nd, just a quick burst of one week, and now after the 4th, again another 6 week round (starting at 80 mg and tapering down, am on 40 now).

                All best –

                 

                Maria C
                Participant

                  Ken, thank you for sharing, and I will definitely follow up with my oncologist about whether supplements for calcium, magnesium, Vit D, etc. are OK – I want to get clearance before I take anything else, as so much is in my system now and who knows what messes with what…

                  Really appreciate your encouragement to exercise, which is long overdue because of the pneuminotis, and that is one GOOD thing about the steroids is that I can breathe more freely to get out and about. 

                  Glad to hear that you are doing well despite the thyroid and adrenal glands shutting down….can't imagine. How long were you on predisone each time after the 4 infusions? After my first, I had a severe reaction that led to about 6 weeks of steroid treatment, after the 2nd, just a quick burst of one week, and now after the 4th, again another 6 week round (starting at 80 mg and tapering down, am on 40 now).

                  All best –

                   

                  Maria C
                  Participant

                    Ken, thank you for sharing, and I will definitely follow up with my oncologist about whether supplements for calcium, magnesium, Vit D, etc. are OK – I want to get clearance before I take anything else, as so much is in my system now and who knows what messes with what…

                    Really appreciate your encouragement to exercise, which is long overdue because of the pneuminotis, and that is one GOOD thing about the steroids is that I can breathe more freely to get out and about. 

                    Glad to hear that you are doing well despite the thyroid and adrenal glands shutting down….can't imagine. How long were you on predisone each time after the 4 infusions? After my first, I had a severe reaction that led to about 6 weeks of steroid treatment, after the 2nd, just a quick burst of one week, and now after the 4th, again another 6 week round (starting at 80 mg and tapering down, am on 40 now).

                    All best –

                     

                  Kengeo3
                  Participant

                    Hi Maria–I had four infusions of nivo+ipi in early 2014 on a clinical trial and had severe side effects which were treated with large and ongoing doses of prednisone.  With me, the prednisone resulted in muscle loss, and a certain amount of bone loss (osteopenia).    Some people gain a lot of weight on them, but I didn't.   It's important to excercise as much as you can, especially weight bearing exercises, and make sure you are getting plenty of calcium, magnesium, vit D etc. for your bones.  At some point in the future you may want to have a bone density scan (no radiation) done.

                     

                    Hopefully, you will get off of the prednisone soon.   My last bout of T cell rampage was about 3 months after my last infusion.    Large doses of prednison also suppresses the immune system, which seems ironic, since you want your immune system killing the cancer, but from what I understand, the docs don't believe that it affects the efficacy of the treatment.  In my case, my T cells infiltrated lots of different places, and neither my thyroid nor my adrenal glands work anymore, so I am on replacement synthroid and hydrocortisone, and I'm doing pretty well.  

                    Good luck,  Ken

                    DZnDef
                    Participant

                      Hi Maria,

                      I was on Prednisone (ranging from 10-40mg/day) for one year and 3 months when I was 30-31 (20 years ago).  This was for an unrelated diagnosis (Meniere's disease).  Side effects while I was on Prednisone were:  A round/fat face (Cushings syndrome), insomnia, muscle weakness (hard to climb stairs), high agitation/aggression, big drop in IQ points (due to lack of sleep I presume).  After I stopped prednisone, all of those symptoms went away.  BUT a new one started:  Extreme joint pain.  Every single joint in my body would hurt when I woke up in the morning.  It would steadily improve during the day but if I was still for too long, it would hurt to move again.  So every morning was agony.  This pain gradually improved until the one-year mark when I no longer had joint pain.  Prior to being on Prednisone, and while taking it, I jogged every morning.  After stopping prednisone I stopped jogging as it was just too painful.  But here I am, 20 years later, with absolutely no joint pain so it was not long-lived.  As far as other long-term effects I am not aware of any.  It does suppress the immune system which can contribute to cancer (ha!) but I have no way of knowing if that is true in my case and since we all have cancer now anyways it's likely a moot point.

                      I am not aware of anything specific to be done to counter-balance the effects of a steroid.  Hopefully someone else will have some ideas.

                      Cheers!

                      Maggie

                        jpg
                        Participant

                          This column by a great melanoma doctor answers a lot of questions about steroid use in melanoma:

                          http://melanomainternational.org/2016/03/march-7-2016-side-effect-management

                           

                          Check it out..it helped me

                          Maria C
                          Participant

                            Article is perfect – clarifies what I've been told as well but still trying to wrap my head around – thank you!

                            Maria C
                            Participant

                              Article is perfect – clarifies what I've been told as well but still trying to wrap my head around – thank you!

                              Maria C
                              Participant

                                Article is perfect – clarifies what I've been told as well but still trying to wrap my head around – thank you!

                                jpg
                                Participant

                                  This column by a great melanoma doctor answers a lot of questions about steroid use in melanoma:

                                  http://melanomainternational.org/2016/03/march-7-2016-side-effect-management

                                   

                                  Check it out..it helped me

                                  jpg
                                  Participant

                                    This column by a great melanoma doctor answers a lot of questions about steroid use in melanoma:

                                    http://melanomainternational.org/2016/03/march-7-2016-side-effect-management

                                     

                                    Check it out..it helped me

                                    Maria C
                                    Participant

                                      Maggie, fabulous to hear that 20 years later all is well! Sounds like the side effects subsided in time.

                                      Not sure if I have Cushings syndrome but my face is definitely bloated & feels a bit "rubbery" … could be my imagination but I doubt it ๐Ÿ™‚

                                      Thanks for sharing – 

                                      Maria C
                                      Participant

                                        Maggie, fabulous to hear that 20 years later all is well! Sounds like the side effects subsided in time.

                                        Not sure if I have Cushings syndrome but my face is definitely bloated & feels a bit "rubbery" … could be my imagination but I doubt it ๐Ÿ™‚

                                        Thanks for sharing – 

                                        Maria C
                                        Participant

                                          Maggie, fabulous to hear that 20 years later all is well! Sounds like the side effects subsided in time.

                                          Not sure if I have Cushings syndrome but my face is definitely bloated & feels a bit "rubbery" … could be my imagination but I doubt it ๐Ÿ™‚

                                          Thanks for sharing – 

                                        DZnDef
                                        Participant

                                          Hi Maria,

                                          I was on Prednisone (ranging from 10-40mg/day) for one year and 3 months when I was 30-31 (20 years ago).  This was for an unrelated diagnosis (Meniere's disease).  Side effects while I was on Prednisone were:  A round/fat face (Cushings syndrome), insomnia, muscle weakness (hard to climb stairs), high agitation/aggression, big drop in IQ points (due to lack of sleep I presume).  After I stopped prednisone, all of those symptoms went away.  BUT a new one started:  Extreme joint pain.  Every single joint in my body would hurt when I woke up in the morning.  It would steadily improve during the day but if I was still for too long, it would hurt to move again.  So every morning was agony.  This pain gradually improved until the one-year mark when I no longer had joint pain.  Prior to being on Prednisone, and while taking it, I jogged every morning.  After stopping prednisone I stopped jogging as it was just too painful.  But here I am, 20 years later, with absolutely no joint pain so it was not long-lived.  As far as other long-term effects I am not aware of any.  It does suppress the immune system which can contribute to cancer (ha!) but I have no way of knowing if that is true in my case and since we all have cancer now anyways it's likely a moot point.

                                          I am not aware of anything specific to be done to counter-balance the effects of a steroid.  Hopefully someone else will have some ideas.

                                          Cheers!

                                          Maggie

                                          DZnDef
                                          Participant

                                            Hi Maria,

                                            I was on Prednisone (ranging from 10-40mg/day) for one year and 3 months when I was 30-31 (20 years ago).  This was for an unrelated diagnosis (Meniere's disease).  Side effects while I was on Prednisone were:  A round/fat face (Cushings syndrome), insomnia, muscle weakness (hard to climb stairs), high agitation/aggression, big drop in IQ points (due to lack of sleep I presume).  After I stopped prednisone, all of those symptoms went away.  BUT a new one started:  Extreme joint pain.  Every single joint in my body would hurt when I woke up in the morning.  It would steadily improve during the day but if I was still for too long, it would hurt to move again.  So every morning was agony.  This pain gradually improved until the one-year mark when I no longer had joint pain.  Prior to being on Prednisone, and while taking it, I jogged every morning.  After stopping prednisone I stopped jogging as it was just too painful.  But here I am, 20 years later, with absolutely no joint pain so it was not long-lived.  As far as other long-term effects I am not aware of any.  It does suppress the immune system which can contribute to cancer (ha!) but I have no way of knowing if that is true in my case and since we all have cancer now anyways it's likely a moot point.

                                            I am not aware of anything specific to be done to counter-balance the effects of a steroid.  Hopefully someone else will have some ideas.

                                            Cheers!

                                            Maggie

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