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Dissection Surgery – Second Opinion

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    buckytom
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      I was diagnosed with Melanoma on January 9, 2013. I found a swollen spot in my neck, surgeon thought it was a cyst, but when he went into to remove it realized it was a lymph node. 5 days later I was told it was Melanoma. I have since had a PET scan, no primary was found – only one other node lit up on the scan very close to the original node. I am currently scheduled for a dissection of the nodes in my neck on Monday, January 21.

      I was diagnosed with Melanoma on January 9, 2013. I found a swollen spot in my neck, surgeon thought it was a cyst, but when he went into to remove it realized it was a lymph node. 5 days later I was told it was Melanoma. I have since had a PET scan, no primary was found – only one other node lit up on the scan very close to the original node. I am currently scheduled for a dissection of the nodes in my neck on Monday, January 21.

      After reading this board I am wondering if I am jumping into the surgery too quickly. I am met with a medical and surgical oncologist, although not ones in a Melanoma center of excellence instead at our local hospital. Anyone have any advice – my first thought was to go through surgery and then with full diagnosis/prognosis get a second opinion from Mayo before staring any other treatments.

      Any help, assistance, guidance would be appreciated!

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        mama1960
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          In my opinion, if you know for a fact that this is Melanima, get it out! Any other treatment necessary can wait until you get a Melanoma specialist. No matter what other decisions get made, the important thing is to get that crap out as soon as possible.

          mama1960
          Participant

            In my opinion, if you know for a fact that this is Melanima, get it out! Any other treatment necessary can wait until you get a Melanoma specialist. No matter what other decisions get made, the important thing is to get that crap out as soon as possible.

            mama1960
            Participant

              In my opinion, if you know for a fact that this is Melanima, get it out! Any other treatment necessary can wait until you get a Melanoma specialist. No matter what other decisions get made, the important thing is to get that crap out as soon as possible.

              JonathanB
              Participant

                BuckyTom: the lymph node dissection is a fairly standard protocol given your diagnosis. I myself have had two neck dissections in the past year. It never hurts to get a second opinion, but I suspect most oncologists/surgeons would recommend the same thing. Depending on the extent, location and number of nodes removed, the procedure can often be completed in under an hour, almost certainly under a general anaesthetic. Preferrably, you will want this done by an experienced surgical oncologist or ENT surgeon familiar with melanoma and in coordination with your oncologist.

                Ideally, the surgery will remove the melanoma and your follow-up scans will be clear. If they are not clear and there is evidence the melanoma has spread, you will want to begin having discussions with your oncologist regarding other therapies, most likely targeted gene therapies such as Zelboraf or Yervoy. Both of these drug therapies are discussed widely on this board and many patients are reporting favorable results.

                The initial diagnosis is a real shocker of course, but the best thing you can do in my opinion is avoid the statistics, educate yourself on the growing number of drug therapies available, adjust your diet to help fortify your body with the good stuff and find a qualified melanoma oncologist/clinic that you can work with.  Stay strong and I sincerely wish you all the best. Jonathan

                JonathanB
                Participant

                  BuckyTom: the lymph node dissection is a fairly standard protocol given your diagnosis. I myself have had two neck dissections in the past year. It never hurts to get a second opinion, but I suspect most oncologists/surgeons would recommend the same thing. Depending on the extent, location and number of nodes removed, the procedure can often be completed in under an hour, almost certainly under a general anaesthetic. Preferrably, you will want this done by an experienced surgical oncologist or ENT surgeon familiar with melanoma and in coordination with your oncologist.

                  Ideally, the surgery will remove the melanoma and your follow-up scans will be clear. If they are not clear and there is evidence the melanoma has spread, you will want to begin having discussions with your oncologist regarding other therapies, most likely targeted gene therapies such as Zelboraf or Yervoy. Both of these drug therapies are discussed widely on this board and many patients are reporting favorable results.

                  The initial diagnosis is a real shocker of course, but the best thing you can do in my opinion is avoid the statistics, educate yourself on the growing number of drug therapies available, adjust your diet to help fortify your body with the good stuff and find a qualified melanoma oncologist/clinic that you can work with.  Stay strong and I sincerely wish you all the best. Jonathan

                  JonathanB
                  Participant

                    BuckyTom: the lymph node dissection is a fairly standard protocol given your diagnosis. I myself have had two neck dissections in the past year. It never hurts to get a second opinion, but I suspect most oncologists/surgeons would recommend the same thing. Depending on the extent, location and number of nodes removed, the procedure can often be completed in under an hour, almost certainly under a general anaesthetic. Preferrably, you will want this done by an experienced surgical oncologist or ENT surgeon familiar with melanoma and in coordination with your oncologist.

                    Ideally, the surgery will remove the melanoma and your follow-up scans will be clear. If they are not clear and there is evidence the melanoma has spread, you will want to begin having discussions with your oncologist regarding other therapies, most likely targeted gene therapies such as Zelboraf or Yervoy. Both of these drug therapies are discussed widely on this board and many patients are reporting favorable results.

                    The initial diagnosis is a real shocker of course, but the best thing you can do in my opinion is avoid the statistics, educate yourself on the growing number of drug therapies available, adjust your diet to help fortify your body with the good stuff and find a qualified melanoma oncologist/clinic that you can work with.  Stay strong and I sincerely wish you all the best. Jonathan

                    Harry in Fair Oaks
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                      I would have the dissection done.  Why?  You have at least one other node with MM, and it is big enough to light up the PET.  This could mean there are other, smaller affected nodes (micro disease).  So it makes sense to try to get them out.  Also, knowing the number of impacted nodes has a prognostic value, and may help you and your Drs. plan your future treatment.

                      For what it's worth, I had a radical neck dissection in 1997 and I'm still around to bother my family to no end.  Please make sure the surgeon is a head and neck specialist who has done plenty of these procedures.

                      Best wishes,

                      Harry

                        Harry in Fair Oaks
                        Participant

                          Just wanted to correct a presumption I made – there is a chance the node that lit up on the PET is just a reactive node and does not have MM (i.e. a false positive).  But it still should be biopsied, and my recommendation to go ahead with the dissection stands.

                          Best wishes,

                          Harry

                          Harry in Fair Oaks
                          Participant

                            Just wanted to correct a presumption I made – there is a chance the node that lit up on the PET is just a reactive node and does not have MM (i.e. a false positive).  But it still should be biopsied, and my recommendation to go ahead with the dissection stands.

                            Best wishes,

                            Harry

                            Harry in Fair Oaks
                            Participant

                              Just wanted to correct a presumption I made – there is a chance the node that lit up on the PET is just a reactive node and does not have MM (i.e. a false positive).  But it still should be biopsied, and my recommendation to go ahead with the dissection stands.

                              Best wishes,

                              Harry

                            Harry in Fair Oaks
                            Participant

                              I would have the dissection done.  Why?  You have at least one other node with MM, and it is big enough to light up the PET.  This could mean there are other, smaller affected nodes (micro disease).  So it makes sense to try to get them out.  Also, knowing the number of impacted nodes has a prognostic value, and may help you and your Drs. plan your future treatment.

                              For what it's worth, I had a radical neck dissection in 1997 and I'm still around to bother my family to no end.  Please make sure the surgeon is a head and neck specialist who has done plenty of these procedures.

                              Best wishes,

                              Harry

                              Harry in Fair Oaks
                              Participant

                                I would have the dissection done.  Why?  You have at least one other node with MM, and it is big enough to light up the PET.  This could mean there are other, smaller affected nodes (micro disease).  So it makes sense to try to get them out.  Also, knowing the number of impacted nodes has a prognostic value, and may help you and your Drs. plan your future treatment.

                                For what it's worth, I had a radical neck dissection in 1997 and I'm still around to bother my family to no end.  Please make sure the surgeon is a head and neck specialist who has done plenty of these procedures.

                                Best wishes,

                                Harry

                                POW
                                Participant

                                  I agree with Harry in Fair Oaks, "…you will want this done by an experienced surgical oncologist or ENT surgeon familiar with melanoma…" There are many, many lymph nodes around the head and neck and many, many delicate nerves. The better this surgery is done, the better your chances of getting all of the (potenitally) affected lymph nodes and the fewer side effects you will experience from the surgery (like nerve damage or lymphedema). I would rather delay the surgery for a week or two while I found a really good head-and-neck surgeon experienced with melanoma than rush to the first surgeon that was recommended to me. If you can, get to a melanoma specialty center. If you can't get to one, call the closest one and ask for a recommendation to a head-and-neck surgeon. You don't want needless delay, but you shouldn't panic, either. Melanoma treatment is much, much better than it was even 2 or 3 years ago. 

                                  POW
                                  Participant

                                    I agree with Harry in Fair Oaks, "…you will want this done by an experienced surgical oncologist or ENT surgeon familiar with melanoma…" There are many, many lymph nodes around the head and neck and many, many delicate nerves. The better this surgery is done, the better your chances of getting all of the (potenitally) affected lymph nodes and the fewer side effects you will experience from the surgery (like nerve damage or lymphedema). I would rather delay the surgery for a week or two while I found a really good head-and-neck surgeon experienced with melanoma than rush to the first surgeon that was recommended to me. If you can, get to a melanoma specialty center. If you can't get to one, call the closest one and ask for a recommendation to a head-and-neck surgeon. You don't want needless delay, but you shouldn't panic, either. Melanoma treatment is much, much better than it was even 2 or 3 years ago. 

                                    POW
                                    Participant

                                      I agree with Harry in Fair Oaks, "…you will want this done by an experienced surgical oncologist or ENT surgeon familiar with melanoma…" There are many, many lymph nodes around the head and neck and many, many delicate nerves. The better this surgery is done, the better your chances of getting all of the (potenitally) affected lymph nodes and the fewer side effects you will experience from the surgery (like nerve damage or lymphedema). I would rather delay the surgery for a week or two while I found a really good head-and-neck surgeon experienced with melanoma than rush to the first surgeon that was recommended to me. If you can, get to a melanoma specialty center. If you can't get to one, call the closest one and ask for a recommendation to a head-and-neck surgeon. You don't want needless delay, but you shouldn't panic, either. Melanoma treatment is much, much better than it was even 2 or 3 years ago. 

                                      JakeinNY
                                      Participant

                                        I agree with most on here. Go ahead with the dissection. I did and although there were no positive nodes, I'm glad I did it because what if I didn't and there was one with melanoma? It's standard of care for your situation.

                                        In an ideal situation, find the best head and neck surgeon who is experienced in removing lymph nodes with melanoma and get it done tomorrow. Being that is not possible, you have to decide between getting it done monday or waiting to get a surgeon experienced with melanoma. It's a tough call as on one hand you want "the best" to do the surgery and on the other hand, you want it done as soon as possible. Maybe putting all of this together helps you decide.

                                        In the meantime do yourself a favor and avoid sugar and simple carbs (white flour based food) at least until the surgery is over.

                                        JakeinNY
                                        Participant

                                          I agree with most on here. Go ahead with the dissection. I did and although there were no positive nodes, I'm glad I did it because what if I didn't and there was one with melanoma? It's standard of care for your situation.

                                          In an ideal situation, find the best head and neck surgeon who is experienced in removing lymph nodes with melanoma and get it done tomorrow. Being that is not possible, you have to decide between getting it done monday or waiting to get a surgeon experienced with melanoma. It's a tough call as on one hand you want "the best" to do the surgery and on the other hand, you want it done as soon as possible. Maybe putting all of this together helps you decide.

                                          In the meantime do yourself a favor and avoid sugar and simple carbs (white flour based food) at least until the surgery is over.

                                          JakeinNY
                                          Participant

                                            I agree with most on here. Go ahead with the dissection. I did and although there were no positive nodes, I'm glad I did it because what if I didn't and there was one with melanoma? It's standard of care for your situation.

                                            In an ideal situation, find the best head and neck surgeon who is experienced in removing lymph nodes with melanoma and get it done tomorrow. Being that is not possible, you have to decide between getting it done monday or waiting to get a surgeon experienced with melanoma. It's a tough call as on one hand you want "the best" to do the surgery and on the other hand, you want it done as soon as possible. Maybe putting all of this together helps you decide.

                                            In the meantime do yourself a favor and avoid sugar and simple carbs (white flour based food) at least until the surgery is over.

                                            JerryfromFauq
                                            Participant

                                              Is your local surgeon talking about a one node removal, a partial lymph node basin removal are a radical complete node basin removal?  There are studies underway that question if the radical approach is better than removal of all nodes that have melanoma in them plus a few that are clear.  Personally, I tend to favor leaving some clear nodes in to help limit a spread if more cells are in the lymph channel.  Prefer a second lymph node removal rather than going to stage IV.  .  My great Oncological melanoma specialist surgeon spend 7 hours cutting and sending the groin lymph basins tissue to the pathologist without actually removing every node he could find. That was in Jan 2007 after my local GP and then the local general surgeon screwed things up for me .  I would not be against a short delay. 

                                                 It sounds likely that you have been diagnosed as stage 3.  Another question is what other treatments will be available out side of "wait and watch".  Stage III treatments are very limited.

                                              Be sure you have copies of all the available paperwork on hand to go for the second opinion with the specialists.  They  will want copies of the scans, radiology reports, surgical reports, pathology reports, and if possible your local oncologist patient notes.  They may also want to review the slides of the tissue removed for the previous pathology reports, be sure you know where they are located (both slides and the paraffin block of tissue).

                                                 Could you also start a profile so that we knowmore about your situation for our advice.

                                              JerryfromFauq
                                              Participant

                                                Is your local surgeon talking about a one node removal, a partial lymph node basin removal are a radical complete node basin removal?  There are studies underway that question if the radical approach is better than removal of all nodes that have melanoma in them plus a few that are clear.  Personally, I tend to favor leaving some clear nodes in to help limit a spread if more cells are in the lymph channel.  Prefer a second lymph node removal rather than going to stage IV.  .  My great Oncological melanoma specialist surgeon spend 7 hours cutting and sending the groin lymph basins tissue to the pathologist without actually removing every node he could find. That was in Jan 2007 after my local GP and then the local general surgeon screwed things up for me .  I would not be against a short delay. 

                                                   It sounds likely that you have been diagnosed as stage 3.  Another question is what other treatments will be available out side of "wait and watch".  Stage III treatments are very limited.

                                                Be sure you have copies of all the available paperwork on hand to go for the second opinion with the specialists.  They  will want copies of the scans, radiology reports, surgical reports, pathology reports, and if possible your local oncologist patient notes.  They may also want to review the slides of the tissue removed for the previous pathology reports, be sure you know where they are located (both slides and the paraffin block of tissue).

                                                   Could you also start a profile so that we knowmore about your situation for our advice.

                                                JerryfromFauq
                                                Participant

                                                  Is your local surgeon talking about a one node removal, a partial lymph node basin removal are a radical complete node basin removal?  There are studies underway that question if the radical approach is better than removal of all nodes that have melanoma in them plus a few that are clear.  Personally, I tend to favor leaving some clear nodes in to help limit a spread if more cells are in the lymph channel.  Prefer a second lymph node removal rather than going to stage IV.  .  My great Oncological melanoma specialist surgeon spend 7 hours cutting and sending the groin lymph basins tissue to the pathologist without actually removing every node he could find. That was in Jan 2007 after my local GP and then the local general surgeon screwed things up for me .  I would not be against a short delay. 

                                                     It sounds likely that you have been diagnosed as stage 3.  Another question is what other treatments will be available out side of "wait and watch".  Stage III treatments are very limited.

                                                  Be sure you have copies of all the available paperwork on hand to go for the second opinion with the specialists.  They  will want copies of the scans, radiology reports, surgical reports, pathology reports, and if possible your local oncologist patient notes.  They may also want to review the slides of the tissue removed for the previous pathology reports, be sure you know where they are located (both slides and the paraffin block of tissue).

                                                     Could you also start a profile so that we knowmore about your situation for our advice.

                                                    buckytom
                                                    Participant

                                                      Thank you to everyone for your input and information. I have updated my profile, hopefully there is enough information there. I did have the neck dissection and one other node (of the 28 removed). I am recovering well from the surgery and about to meet with the oncologists to see if Interferon, radation, or combination are the best next steps. I have started to change my diet but that has been overwhelming.

                                                      Any input in radation or Interferon would be appreciated?

                                                       

                                                      Any input on changing my diet to make sure my immune system is as strong as possible would also be appreciated.

                                                       

                                                      Thanks again for all of your help!

                                                      buckytom
                                                      Participant

                                                        Thank you to everyone for your input and information. I have updated my profile, hopefully there is enough information there. I did have the neck dissection and one other node (of the 28 removed). I am recovering well from the surgery and about to meet with the oncologists to see if Interferon, radation, or combination are the best next steps. I have started to change my diet but that has been overwhelming.

                                                        Any input in radation or Interferon would be appreciated?

                                                         

                                                        Any input on changing my diet to make sure my immune system is as strong as possible would also be appreciated.

                                                         

                                                        Thanks again for all of your help!

                                                        buckytom
                                                        Participant

                                                          Thank you to everyone for your input and information. I have updated my profile, hopefully there is enough information there. I did have the neck dissection and one other node (of the 28 removed). I am recovering well from the surgery and about to meet with the oncologists to see if Interferon, radation, or combination are the best next steps. I have started to change my diet but that has been overwhelming.

                                                          Any input in radation or Interferon would be appreciated?

                                                           

                                                          Any input on changing my diet to make sure my immune system is as strong as possible would also be appreciated.

                                                           

                                                          Thanks again for all of your help!

                                                          JerryfromFauq
                                                          Participant

                                                            Addressing the diet first. For Stage III,  I recommend a fair amount of anti-oxidants, broccoli, other green leafy vegetables, Curcumin supplements.  Several recent articles  have also reported what seems to be a beneficial result of taking a 325 grain aspirin a day at helping reduce re-occurances.

                                                            In general radiation is not very effective against melanoma tumors, it appears to be more effective as a mop up treatment after surgery than as a stand-alone treatment.  I refused it due to concern over the area they would have radiated on me (extensive radiation of the abdomen).

                                                               Interferon (an immunotherapy) is a controversial subject.  It seems to be a help to a few people and to have large side effects on people, especially as we get older.  Seems to possible benefit about 4% of patients.  It is also debatable if the full year does any more for one than the high dosage first month.    There has been a couple of reports to radiation given to one tumor in a couple of stage IV patient that had recently taken Yervoy (a new Immunotherapy treatment) and them having an abscopal effect whereby tumors through out the body regressed.   It would be interesting to start the interferon and then do the radiation immediately after the first montjh.  (Just my thoughts)

                                                            JerryfromFauq
                                                            Participant

                                                              Addressing the diet first. For Stage III,  I recommend a fair amount of anti-oxidants, broccoli, other green leafy vegetables, Curcumin supplements.  Several recent articles  have also reported what seems to be a beneficial result of taking a 325 grain aspirin a day at helping reduce re-occurances.

                                                              In general radiation is not very effective against melanoma tumors, it appears to be more effective as a mop up treatment after surgery than as a stand-alone treatment.  I refused it due to concern over the area they would have radiated on me (extensive radiation of the abdomen).

                                                                 Interferon (an immunotherapy) is a controversial subject.  It seems to be a help to a few people and to have large side effects on people, especially as we get older.  Seems to possible benefit about 4% of patients.  It is also debatable if the full year does any more for one than the high dosage first month.    There has been a couple of reports to radiation given to one tumor in a couple of stage IV patient that had recently taken Yervoy (a new Immunotherapy treatment) and them having an abscopal effect whereby tumors through out the body regressed.   It would be interesting to start the interferon and then do the radiation immediately after the first montjh.  (Just my thoughts)

                                                              JerryfromFauq
                                                              Participant

                                                                Addressing the diet first. For Stage III,  I recommend a fair amount of anti-oxidants, broccoli, other green leafy vegetables, Curcumin supplements.  Several recent articles  have also reported what seems to be a beneficial result of taking a 325 grain aspirin a day at helping reduce re-occurances.

                                                                In general radiation is not very effective against melanoma tumors, it appears to be more effective as a mop up treatment after surgery than as a stand-alone treatment.  I refused it due to concern over the area they would have radiated on me (extensive radiation of the abdomen).

                                                                   Interferon (an immunotherapy) is a controversial subject.  It seems to be a help to a few people and to have large side effects on people, especially as we get older.  Seems to possible benefit about 4% of patients.  It is also debatable if the full year does any more for one than the high dosage first month.    There has been a couple of reports to radiation given to one tumor in a couple of stage IV patient that had recently taken Yervoy (a new Immunotherapy treatment) and them having an abscopal effect whereby tumors through out the body regressed.   It would be interesting to start the interferon and then do the radiation immediately after the first montjh.  (Just my thoughts)

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