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Staging

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    justlittleoleme
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      We had surgery on 9/23. Pathology is back and there is no staging information. Dr.’s nurse said because tumor was below skin they don’t stage the cancer. The report states it is metastatic melanoma. Originally we were told stage 3 since it is a local recurrence. I am confused since metastatic melanoma is stage 4. I would like your thoughts since staging between 3/4 makes a difference with regards go the treatments available.

      Also, we are approaching two weeks post op. One of the dr’s we are consulting with wants a brain MRI to rule out brain involvement. Our local hospital said we need to wait until 8 weeks post op. The consulting dr has him scheduled 10/14 for the MRI. Do we need to be concerned about the MRI and his internal stitches? Anyone ever encounter this?

      Thanks, barb

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        Janner
        Participant

          Pathology reports never "stage" because they are only looking at one piece of tissue, not the whole body.  Doctor's do the staging.

          Local recurrences or "in transit" mets are not stage IV, but stage IIIB or IIIC.  You can see a breakdown in staging at this site:  http://www.clevelandclinicmeded.com/medicalpubs/diseasemanagement/dermatology/cutaneous-malignant-melanoma/#s0110

          The difference between B and C depends on if there is any lymph node involvement.  Stage IV would be a recurrence (either skin or organ) that is beyond the nearest lymph drainage basin.

          Best wishes,

          Janner

            justlittleoleme
            Participant

              Janner,

              Thanks for the information.  His previous pathology did stage which is why I was looking for staging on this pathology report.    His previous pathology gave the stage and the information on the mitoses. 

              Barb

              justlittleoleme
              Participant

                Janner,

                Thanks for the information.  His previous pathology did stage which is why I was looking for staging on this pathology report.    His previous pathology gave the stage and the information on the mitoses. 

                Barb

                justlittleoleme
                Participant

                  Janner,

                  Thanks for the information.  His previous pathology did stage which is why I was looking for staging on this pathology report.    His previous pathology gave the stage and the information on the mitoses. 

                  Barb

                Janner
                Participant

                  Pathology reports never "stage" because they are only looking at one piece of tissue, not the whole body.  Doctor's do the staging.

                  Local recurrences or "in transit" mets are not stage IV, but stage IIIB or IIIC.  You can see a breakdown in staging at this site:  http://www.clevelandclinicmeded.com/medicalpubs/diseasemanagement/dermatology/cutaneous-malignant-melanoma/#s0110

                  The difference between B and C depends on if there is any lymph node involvement.  Stage IV would be a recurrence (either skin or organ) that is beyond the nearest lymph drainage basin.

                  Best wishes,

                  Janner

                  Janner
                  Participant

                    Pathology reports never "stage" because they are only looking at one piece of tissue, not the whole body.  Doctor's do the staging.

                    Local recurrences or "in transit" mets are not stage IV, but stage IIIB or IIIC.  You can see a breakdown in staging at this site:  http://www.clevelandclinicmeded.com/medicalpubs/diseasemanagement/dermatology/cutaneous-malignant-melanoma/#s0110

                    The difference between B and C depends on if there is any lymph node involvement.  Stage IV would be a recurrence (either skin or organ) that is beyond the nearest lymph drainage basin.

                    Best wishes,

                    Janner

                    KatyWI
                    Participant

                      Hi Barb,

                      The local recurrence IS metastatic, but he is still stage III since the mets are close to the original tumor.  Anything that isn't a primary tumor is metastatic.  Another example of metastatic but stage III is when someone has local lymph node involvement; the mm found in the lymph nodes is considered metastatic melanoma.  A really dramatic example is Donna, whose leg was covered in mets before she became a shining beacon of how well ipi CAN work.  She would still be considered stage III.

                      Waiting for the MRI doesn't make sense to me; tell the consulting doctor what the local hospital said and ask him to explain.  The internal stitches would not be metallic (he doesn't have any staples, does he?) so I can't figure out how a brain MRI could be affected by stitches anywhere NOT in the brain.

                      Katy

                      KatyWI
                      Participant

                        Hi Barb,

                        The local recurrence IS metastatic, but he is still stage III since the mets are close to the original tumor.  Anything that isn't a primary tumor is metastatic.  Another example of metastatic but stage III is when someone has local lymph node involvement; the mm found in the lymph nodes is considered metastatic melanoma.  A really dramatic example is Donna, whose leg was covered in mets before she became a shining beacon of how well ipi CAN work.  She would still be considered stage III.

                        Waiting for the MRI doesn't make sense to me; tell the consulting doctor what the local hospital said and ask him to explain.  The internal stitches would not be metallic (he doesn't have any staples, does he?) so I can't figure out how a brain MRI could be affected by stitches anywhere NOT in the brain.

                        Katy

                        KatyWI
                        Participant

                          Hi Barb,

                          The local recurrence IS metastatic, but he is still stage III since the mets are close to the original tumor.  Anything that isn't a primary tumor is metastatic.  Another example of metastatic but stage III is when someone has local lymph node involvement; the mm found in the lymph nodes is considered metastatic melanoma.  A really dramatic example is Donna, whose leg was covered in mets before she became a shining beacon of how well ipi CAN work.  She would still be considered stage III.

                          Waiting for the MRI doesn't make sense to me; tell the consulting doctor what the local hospital said and ask him to explain.  The internal stitches would not be metallic (he doesn't have any staples, does he?) so I can't figure out how a brain MRI could be affected by stitches anywhere NOT in the brain.

                          Katy

                          James from Sydney
                          Participant

                            Hi Barb, our son was staged 3c after they found Metastatic Melanoma in his Parotid Gland as well as 3 lymph nodes nearby. There was no sign of any Primary on his skin, its referred to as Occult or Unknown Primary. He did a Pet Scan prior to surgery to rule out further spread however no MRI was done just CT Scans..

                            best wishes

                            James

                            James from Sydney
                            Participant

                              Hi Barb, our son was staged 3c after they found Metastatic Melanoma in his Parotid Gland as well as 3 lymph nodes nearby. There was no sign of any Primary on his skin, its referred to as Occult or Unknown Primary. He did a Pet Scan prior to surgery to rule out further spread however no MRI was done just CT Scans..

                              best wishes

                              James

                              James from Sydney
                              Participant

                                Hi Barb, our son was staged 3c after they found Metastatic Melanoma in his Parotid Gland as well as 3 lymph nodes nearby. There was no sign of any Primary on his skin, its referred to as Occult or Unknown Primary. He did a Pet Scan prior to surgery to rule out further spread however no MRI was done just CT Scans..

                                best wishes

                                James

                                Jessmoon
                                Participant

                                  It should be safe to have an MRI.  My husband has a wider excision of his intiial lesion completed on 9/14/11 and had an MRI of his brain on 9/22.  Sutures should not contain metal.

                                  Jessmoon
                                  Participant

                                    It should be safe to have an MRI.  My husband has a wider excision of his intiial lesion completed on 9/14/11 and had an MRI of his brain on 9/22.  Sutures should not contain metal.

                                    Jessmoon
                                    Participant

                                      It should be safe to have an MRI.  My husband has a wider excision of his intiial lesion completed on 9/14/11 and had an MRI of his brain on 9/22.  Sutures should not contain metal.

                                      shellebrownies
                                      Participant

                                        My husband had an MRI the morning after his lymphectomy while he was still in the hospital. But, if he had metal staples put in during the surgery, they would not be able to MRI until they were removed. Perhaps that's the issue?

                                        Michelle, wife of Don

                                        shellebrownies
                                        Participant

                                          My husband had an MRI the morning after his lymphectomy while he was still in the hospital. But, if he had metal staples put in during the surgery, they would not be able to MRI until they were removed. Perhaps that's the issue?

                                          Michelle, wife of Don

                                          shellebrownies
                                          Participant

                                            My husband had an MRI the morning after his lymphectomy while he was still in the hospital. But, if he had metal staples put in during the surgery, they would not be able to MRI until they were removed. Perhaps that's the issue?

                                            Michelle, wife of Don

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