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Response to Anti-pd1or pdl-1 after taking failed IPI response

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    killmel
    Participant

    Hi,

    I am a newbie & trying to understand the RESPONSE difference between IPI & anti-pd1 or anti-pdl-1

    If a patient does NOT respond to IPI, why would the patient possiblly respond to anti-pd1 or anti-pdl-1.

    I do not understand that if you take the breaks of your immune system with IPI, how is different than taking the breaks off with anti-pd1 or pdl-1?

    Why could a patient who was not a responder with IPI, possible get a response by taking anti-pd1/pdl-1 after taking IPI.

    Hi,

    I am a newbie & trying to understand the RESPONSE difference between IPI & anti-pd1 or anti-pdl-1

    If a patient does NOT respond to IPI, why would the patient possiblly respond to anti-pd1 or anti-pdl-1.

    I do not understand that if you take the breaks of your immune system with IPI, how is different than taking the breaks off with anti-pd1 or pdl-1?

    Why could a patient who was not a responder with IPI, possible get a response by taking anti-pd1/pdl-1 after taking IPI.

    Is taking anti-pd1 drug or taking anti-pdl-1 make a difference? Can you get a  better response by picking one over than other?

    Thanks for all you great info.

    A

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      jim Breitfeller
      Participant

      See my post at Ipi Update  empen on 9/28.2011

       Great Question!!!!! 

      Ipi works on the surface molecule CTLA-4 which are upregulated during T-cell activation. Most T-cells including the Tregs will have this receptor on their surface. When this receptor is engaged, the immune response is down-regulated.. terminated. So by blocking this receptor with Yervoy (Ipi), the checkpoint remains active.

      Anti- PD-1 blocks another receptor called PD-1. It also is up-regulated on the T-cell. Now on the tumor cells, there are receptors called PD-L1. This PD-L1 receptor can bind/engage with PD-1 on the T-cells. When this happens, the immune rsponse is down-regulated and no response is generated.

      There is data coming that anti-PD-1  blocks global inhibtion of the T-cells and shows a better response. How much better, still waiting on the data.

      warm regards,

      Jimmy B

      jim Breitfeller
      Participant

      See my post at Ipi Update  empen on 9/28.2011

       Great Question!!!!! 

      Ipi works on the surface molecule CTLA-4 which are upregulated during T-cell activation. Most T-cells including the Tregs will have this receptor on their surface. When this receptor is engaged, the immune response is down-regulated.. terminated. So by blocking this receptor with Yervoy (Ipi), the checkpoint remains active.

      Anti- PD-1 blocks another receptor called PD-1. It also is up-regulated on the T-cell. Now on the tumor cells, there are receptors called PD-L1. This PD-L1 receptor can bind/engage with PD-1 on the T-cells. When this happens, the immune rsponse is down-regulated and no response is generated.

      There is data coming that anti-PD-1  blocks global inhibtion of the T-cells and shows a better response. How much better, still waiting on the data.

      warm regards,

      Jimmy B

        LynnLuc
        Participant

        Jimmy,

        I will let you know how its ( anti PD 1) working in 20 years =:o) remind me!-Lynn

        LynnLuc
        Participant

        Jimmy,

        I will let you know how its ( anti PD 1) working in 20 years =:o) remind me!-Lynn

        lhaley
        Participant

        Lynn,

        Don't you sometime want a like button like facebook?  20 years would sound soooo good.

        Linda

        lhaley
        Participant

        Lynn,

        Don't you sometime want a like button like facebook?  20 years would sound soooo good.

        Linda

        LynnLuc
        Participant

        yeppers- a like button would be nice !

        I have to think ahead-far ahead because it's what keeps me going…looking back is not a pretty picture…I think I will always suffer from PTSD because of the DX.

        LynnLuc
        Participant

        yeppers- a like button would be nice !

        I have to think ahead-far ahead because it's what keeps me going…looking back is not a pretty picture…I think I will always suffer from PTSD because of the DX.

      jim Breitfeller
      Participant

      PD-L1 expressed on tumor cells protects them from direct immune attack by the specific (CTL) Cytotoxic T lymphocytes at the effector level at least in vitro, and enhances the tumorigenicity in vivo.  

      Involvement of PD-L1 on tumor cells in the escape from host immune system and tumor immunotherapy by PD-L1 blockade

       

      PD-L1 negatively regulates CD4+CD25+Foxp3+ Tregs by limiting STAT-5 phosphorylation. The STAT-5 signaling drives the Th2 and Treg phonotype.

      So what is left is the Th1 and the Th17 phenotype.

      jim Breitfeller
      Participant

      PD-L1 expressed on tumor cells protects them from direct immune attack by the specific (CTL) Cytotoxic T lymphocytes at the effector level at least in vitro, and enhances the tumorigenicity in vivo.  

      Involvement of PD-L1 on tumor cells in the escape from host immune system and tumor immunotherapy by PD-L1 blockade

       

      PD-L1 negatively regulates CD4+CD25+Foxp3+ Tregs by limiting STAT-5 phosphorylation. The STAT-5 signaling drives the Th2 and Treg phonotype.

      So what is left is the Th1 and the Th17 phenotype.

      killmel
      Participant

      Jimmy,

       

      When taking pd1 or pdl-1, will the lymphocite counts (killer t cells) go up like with  IPI?

       

      Thanks

      A.

      killmel
      Participant

      Jimmy,

       

      When taking pd1 or pdl-1, will the lymphocite counts (killer t cells) go up like with  IPI?

       

      Thanks

      A.

        jim Breitfeller
        Participant

        Yes. higher ALC indicates Cell expansion of all the your T-cells ,

        jim Breitfeller
        Participant

        Yes. higher ALC indicates Cell expansion of all the your T-cells ,

        JerryfromFauq
        Participant

        Love your posts, Jimmy.

        JerryfromFauq
        Participant

        Love your posts, Jimmy.

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