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Pathology Results and Surgeon Visit

Forums Cutaneous Melanoma Community Pathology Results and Surgeon Visit

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    Cyndie in Texas
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      Hi Everyone – My brother and I went to see the surgeon yesterday and while I am trying to remain positive it has not been easy! I wanted to post the pathology results because I finally got them yesterday from the nurse.
      Diagnosis:
      Superficial Spreading Melanoma
      Breslow Depth: At least 4.90 mm
      Clark Level: at least IV
      Ulceration: Not Identified
      Mitotic Index: 7 Mitosis/MM2
      Microsatellitosis: Not Identified
      Lymph-vascular Invasion: Not Identified
      Perineural Invasion: Not Identified
      Tumor Infiltrating Lymphocytes: Present, non brisk
      Tumor regression: Not Identified
      Vertical Growth Phase: Present
      Tumor Stage: T4B
      Margins: Peripheral margins involved, deep margins involved

      The sections show the microscopic features of an atypical nevomelanocytic lesion most consistent with melanoma. There is an asymmetric proliferation of atypical melanocytes along the dermoepidermal junction as single cells and large confluent and irregular nests. The nests vary in shape, size, and distance from one to the another. There is focal intraepidermal (pagetoid) spread of melanocytes above the basal cell layer. The atypical melanocytes and nests invade into the dermis to a measured depth of 4.90mm, as measured from the top of the spread. The individual melanocytes are enlarged and show smoky cytoplasms. The nuciel are also enlarged and hyperchromatic and many show prominent red nucleoli.

      Surgery is on 8/15. Surgeon is going to remove the tumor on the scalp and get clean margins (2cm) around it and then graft skin from his groin to cover the area. He will wear a VAC pump for 5 days over the wound. Surgeon will also do the lymph node biopsy; however, my brother is having a CT scan next Monday, 8/5, and if the cancer has spread then he said it wouldn’t be necessary. My brother is a heavy smoker and the surgeon told him he must quit yesterday because the graft will not be successful if he has nicotine in his body. Kept hearing over and over from the surgeon…very serious, tumor thickness is very high, deep depth, etc.

      Next steps: CT scan Monday morning, blood work, and meet with Oncologist Monday afternoon. Nurse said we would have results of scan when we meet with his Oncologist. I asked my brother if he wanted to get 2nd opinion and he said absolutely not. He wanted it scheduled, done and didn’t want to drive 4 hours to Houston. In a way I don’t blame him and I can’t force him.

      I am not even close to being a doctor but when I look at the pathology report and listened to the surgeon yesterday it all sounds very bad. With that being said, I know that he will get through this and it is far from a death sentence! The treatments that are now available will get rid of this nasty and horrible cancer if that is where this is headed. The surgeon said that it’s almost better if it has spread because then they can get it with treatments vs. if it hasn’t he will have to come back every three months for a scan. I can’t imagine having to go through the waiting every three months. What is worse?

      My brother is a Vet…a proud man, a very hard worker, very stubborn and has never had surgery. After the appointment he hugged me and sobbed and sobbed and told me he was so scared. This has brought him to his knees. He doesn’t have a significant other and currently lives in a sober house (successfully completed rehab for alcoholism in Nov of last year) and has to now move out of the house because all of the men in the house smoke and he absolutely cannot be around 2nd hand smoke. I keep telling him he is a Warrior and he will survive this!

      Cyndie in Texas

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        MichelleRHG
        Participant
          Everyone here will tell you the most important thing is for your brother to see a melanoma specialist. Not a general oncologist or general surgeon. It’s of utmost importance. I fly from Ky to Houston every 3 months. It’s expensive and a pain but I’m alive because of it! Also, if you haven’t already, use the search bubble to find the blog by Bubbles (Celeste) where she has put together a primer for new patients. Ed also has good information! Best of luck.
            Cyndie in Texas
            Participant
              Unfortunately I cannot force him to go to a specialist. We will just have to pray that these doctors are going to take care of him. I read the blog from Bubbles and it was difficult for me to understand all of the different medicines. I will re-read it to see if I can make sense of it. Thank you for your input!.
              smiller
              Participant
                My husband has been seeing Dr. Cowey (melanoma specialist) at Baylor Hospital in Dallas. since Feb. 2017—–Not that far from Tyler!

                Jim’s wife

                Cyndie in Texas
                Participant
                  Hi Jim’s Wife…Thank you for the recommendation! After our appointment on Monday I will see if he is open to a second opinion.
                mandyjill
                Participant
                  Cyndie,
                  Just fyi, I see you are in Tyler, TX. I see a melanoma specialist at Baylor in Dallas, Dr. Lance Cowey, which is only about a 90 min. drive from Tyler. Just a thought. Great doctor. Have been with him since I was diagnosed 2 years ago.
                  Amanda
                    Cyndie in Texas
                    Participant
                      Thanks, Amanda! I’m going to see how things go next Monday and then talk to him again. I appreciate the recommendation!
                    Ellie_82
                    Participant
                      Hi Cyndie, I am sorry to hear bad news about your brother. Pathology report does seem serious, but thankfully there are lots of options these days to treat melanoma. I think that the most important question right now is whether the cancer has spread and how far. Another important question is whether his tumor is BRAF positive. These answer would direct his treatment options. I understand that he is a stubborn guy and he doesn’t want to see a melanoma specialist, that’s unfortunate but he is an adult and can decide for himself. I think that at this point, the doctors that he is seeing can do all the evaluations, CT scan, lymph node biopsy (if needed), BRAF testing on the surgery specimen (they are doing BRAF testing, right?) and then with all the information, suggest the treatment plan. Depending on what they say, and how your brother is feeling, he may be willing to reevaluate his decision to see a melanoma specialist.

                      In general though, he is probably looking at a surgery and then some kind of systemic therapy, either BRAF inhibitors or immune checkpoint inhibitors. This is going to be a prolonged treatment so he should get mentally ready to deal with this. But again, that would depend on the staging.

                      Quitting smoking is very important for his treatment success, and I hope that he can do it. All the best to both of you and please keep us posted!

                        Cyndie in Texas
                        Participant
                          Thank you for the information! I agree….after the visit on Monday we will know if it has spread and can make decisions from there. Yes, he is going to do the BRAF testing on Monday as well. I will definitely keep you posted!
                        Edwin
                        Participant
                          Dr Gaba has been my oncologist since September 2014. She treats other people with melanoma, but melanoma is not her specialty. I have been pleased with her care. In March 2016 melanoma was in many of my bones. After ipi + nivo immunotherapy my bone cancer disappeared. Despite one remaining tumor I have been healthy for 3 years. I doubt that I would be more healthy, if I had traveled to be treated by a melanoma specialist. I walk from my home to my cancer center.
                          jbronicki
                          Participant
                            Cyndie, I’ve been thinking about you all. Just so you know, this is serious but you will get more information to point you to the best treatment and there are very powerful treatments now. Being on the scalp, that is an area that they worry about spread, so glad they are dealing with this quickly and taking large margins, and doing the

                            1) My husband had a very deep melanoma (22 mm). His pathology looked very similar in all categories except depth was 22 mm and clark level was 5. There is another lady who has a blog, whose husband had 7.5 depth on scalp and he has been clear for over 7 years.
                            2) My husband is Ukranian, stubborn, non-compliant, etc. He went to work the day after surgery and only missed the day of surgery, his work ethic (like your brother) is astounding. Dr. Cormier at MD anderson told me just to let him go to work if that helped him and it tid. It took a bit for him to get the need for aggressive action and I had to go Bobby Knight on him several times. It is his decision and he chose wait and watch once we had all the information that lymph nodes and scans were clear, but I needed to let him know all the options and benefits/disadvantages of those options and he had to take ownership. It has been exhausting, but I guess that is the price you pay for loving stubborn people, I probably wouldn’t love him if I could boss him around all the time:). Your brother is scared right now, totally get it.
                            3) My brother was a Marine with severe substance abuse issues for decades, we can relate. however, when he was ready, he was ready to let us advocate for him and get him the best treatment. I told him to let us take the burden off of him and let us (his sisters) take over for a while and focus on getting better. We told him that I needed this and once he felt that he was doing us a favor and supporting us by letting us do this, it helped.

                            Your brother does have a lot on his plate but he is tough like you said and he’s got you. Congratulations to your brother for completing rehab, that shows greater toughness than many of us know. If he can do that, he can do this.

                            Once you have all the information from the surgery, CT scans and molecular testing, and if CT shows anything, like others have said, he will be offered systemic treatment . He’ll most likely be offered adjuvant therapy even if there is no distant spread but lymph node involvement, and this is awesome, that wasn’t available several years ago. Still hoping for the best news for you all. If your brother decides to come down to Houston, he has our full support. But wouldn’t give up on talking with your brother about this frankly and keep asking.

                            I’ve not been above literally guilting my husband into compliance 🙂

                            many hugs and here in Pearland if you need anything.

                              Cyndie in Texas
                              Participant
                                Hi Jackie! It’s great to hear from you! OMG…I can’t believe your husband’s Melanoma was 22 mm! I loved the Bobby Knight comment and I may have to do the same depending on how the appointment with the oncologist goes.
                                My daughter has a friend who is a drug rep for the specialists at MD Anderson Melanoma group in Houston and I talked to him and he said that they would take a look at all of his tests and scan but I will wait until after Monday to call. We knew he was a drug rep but we didn’t know he had an ‘in’ with the doctors there…how great is that?! Thank you again for all of the information and your words of encouragement! I wish we could communicate another way but I don’t want to put my personal email in here. I live in Shadow Creek…not sure where in Pearland you are. I will let you know how things are going.
                                Cyndie
                                jbronicki
                                Participant
                                  Cindy, I’m probably no more than 4 miles from you! We live just on the other side of 288 off of Magnolia Parkway (formerly known as Southpark). My daughter goes to camp over in the Shadow Creek area. If you need anything or want to meet up for coffee, my email is [email protected], don’t hesitate to reach out. I work at home, so I’m always looking for a reason to get out of the house.
                                  jbronicki
                                  Participant
                                    Whoops, Southfork not Southpark!
                                    MelanomaMike
                                    Participant
                                      Jackie! Hay sis, read your message to Cyndie, wow, a lot of “Veterans” here! More then whats being revealed by MRF folks, please tell your bro also Thank You For Serving and yell out to him for me “Semper Fi!” As you may have read below my note to Cyndie, my dear ol Dad fought in Vietnam, he to suffered severe PTS and Alcoholism, he passed away in 1993, a Suicide he couldnt take it anymore. Thats why it means so much to me for our men & women in the Military, it holds dear to me…On another note, Vietnam Vets being exposed to Dioxin aka “Agent Orange” has a list of defects including Melanoma and even “birth defects” in children of Vets. At the end of all my messages here on MRF, youll see a link thats always posted COVVHA if your interested or pertains to you or Cyndie, Children Of Vietnam Veterans Health Alliance..great organization….take care…
                                      jbronicki
                                      Participant
                                        Thanks so much Mike. We went through the same thing with my brother and he ultimately passed away under very similar circumstances as your father, many hugs… hard to think about sometimes. The PTSD is so hard on our vets.. Thanks Mike, your work and advocacy with COVVHA. is wonderful. I have known several who have passed from cancer which they believe was related to Agent Orange exposure. Down here in Houston, we just have petrochemical plants that keep exploding and catching fire, happened again this week! Earlier this year there was actually a black cloud over Houston! https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2019/03/the-houston-petrochemical-fire-released-an-astounding-amount-of-pollutants-in-one-day/
                                      MelanomaMike
                                      Participant
                                        Hi Cyndie, im Mike iv read a few of your posts lately and im glad your bro has a loving sister behind him!
                                        Like him also, i to am a recovering alcoholic and addict (mainly drugs) been sober since 2007,( kinda funny how i quit drugs & alcohol then the following year get diagnosed with yet another Deadly disease! Life is funny like that, atleast for me..) its been a little “Trying” these past few weeks on my sobriety but I know if i EVER pick up again, ill die before any Melanoma kills me…And, like yer bro, im trying to stop smoking, its my only “vice” and i “think” it helps me get through it all, i tell myself “I already have cancer so, wth?…one day at a time….
                                        Please tell your bro i said Thank You For His Service, i see he may have been a vet from the 1960’s, maybe Vietnam? My dad fought in Nam (the mighty 1st Cavalry Division 65/67) so, if he was there tell him Welcome Home uncle! Take good care of yourself to Cyndie, Aug 15th he has surgery and same day i see my last of the line Kaiser oncologist the 15th to! Prayers for us both….
                                          Cyndie in Texas
                                          Participant
                                            Hi Mike…thank you for responding. I have been reading your posts as well and it sounds like you have been through hell with not only Kaiser but a lot of other stuff, too. I was saying the same thing myself…that dang it, he just went through recovery and he was doing so good and had just received his 8 month chip from AA and now this BS…ugh. Do you attend AA meetings or does Kaiser offer any support meetings?

                                            My brother is 56 and he enlisted when he was 18 so he missed Vietnam, thank God but I will definitely pass on your kind words! I had mentioned to Dana when he was first diagnosed that he needed to stop smoking but he said he couldn’t especially after he heard the news about the Melanoma. Then surgeon flat out refused to do the surgery if he didn’t quit so he didn’t have a choice. I really wish you the best and I will be following your posts and praying for you! Cyndie

                                            MelanomaMike
                                            Participant
                                              Hi sis! Well nevertheless you thank him for me and PLEASE tell him im a friend of Bill W. If he goes to AA he’ll know who the guy is, its like a secret code that noone knows unless your part of AA! Haha…i actually stoped the meetings after a few years, once i found my loving wife Hillary, she made life a little more worth staying Sober for, haha..risky some may say but, im not “white nuckling” it by far…I did all my half way house and meetings outside of Kaiser but they do offer referals to treatmet clinics etc, its covered in thier plan God forbid i ever need it haha…im good though, its only gunna make it worse if i “use” again cuz i know this time around i will NOT stop, i kinda “know” myself these days….you take care ok? We will fight the HELL out of this crap called Melanoma!!
                                              Cyndie in Texas
                                              Participant
                                                Your post made me a little teary as that is what my brother calls me…sis! How crazy is that?! Yes, we will fight like hell! Sending healing thoughts your way!
                                              Gene_S
                                              Participant
                                                Hi Cyndie,

                                                It is great that you are advocating for your brother. My husbands tumor was also on his scalp only a little larger his was 10.5 mm. He had his surgery with a skin
                                                graft as well. This was in 2008. He had several more surgeries also to the scalp and one by his collar bone. Then when the next one came it was non resectable
                                                and located near the c1 and c2 spine with several subcutaneous ones and scans showed he also had them on his liver and lungs. This made him Stage IV.
                                                So in March of 2011 he was in a clinical trial of Ipi (Yervoy) 10mg/kg by IV every 3 weeks and daily self injections of GMCSF 2 weeks on and 1 week off. In July 2012
                                                he became NED (no evidence of disease) and has remained NED for over 7 years now.

                                                The one thing I also suggest is a Melanoma Specialist as they are more up to date on treatments that work for melanoma and for treating the side effects.

                                                Judy the loving wife of Gene Stage IV and now NED for 7 years.

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