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- June 25, 2016 at 5:59 am
I know that some temporary nerve damage was going to happen, and the risk for permanent was there. I'm just a little surprised about some of the things that were affected.
My neck dissection was Monday. Boy was that a lot worse than I had originally expected. Large incision down my neck, about 10 inches from my ear to my collar bone.
They took out 27 lymph nodes. And I should probably note that my labs came back CLEAR!! Not a single little node had any cancer in them! So no more surgery and I'll be ready for immunotherapy once I'm all healed up!
But back to the point. I woke up from the surgery with very little control over the left side of my face. Doctors weren't worried about the facial paralysis being permanent. Every time they came in they made me make a kissy face and every time they did they were happy with whatever happened. My smile looks like popeye right now. Just the left half of my bottom lip won't move at all. It's really strange. They did note that the numbness in my left ear is very possibly permanent. They had to peel s lymph node off of that nerve. Of course my neck is stiff. I can't really move it side to side and I can't turn my head to the left at all. It isn't particularly painful, my neck just won't let me turn it.
and now for the weird part. The range of motion in my left shoulder is terrible. I can't lift it past like 80 degrees up. I can't reach for things. I can't lift it to tie my hair up. I try and stretch and loosen it up, which helps out some, especially right away in the morning.
My doctor never mentioned the possibility of having to do physical therapy for anything like this, but this seems like the type of thing that would require some. My mom just went through some shoulder surgery and she was having the same range of motion issues I'm having now and she goes twice a week for PT.
has anyone else dealt with weird spread out nerve damage from surgery? especially in the neck.
Also one more time: MY LABS WERE CLEAR!!!!!!!
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- June 25, 2016 at 6:50 am
Congratulation on your clear report. That is good to hear. After my husband had this same surgery he started physio soon after for shoulder stretches and strengthening. He went twice weekly to the physio clinic and they also had him doing home exercises, which he did faithfully. The range of motion and strength did come back. THe numbness in the area never did improve 100% but did get much better with time. I would encourage you to ask and get started soon.
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- June 25, 2016 at 6:50 am
Congratulation on your clear report. That is good to hear. After my husband had this same surgery he started physio soon after for shoulder stretches and strengthening. He went twice weekly to the physio clinic and they also had him doing home exercises, which he did faithfully. The range of motion and strength did come back. THe numbness in the area never did improve 100% but did get much better with time. I would encourage you to ask and get started soon.
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- June 25, 2016 at 6:50 am
Congratulation on your clear report. That is good to hear. After my husband had this same surgery he started physio soon after for shoulder stretches and strengthening. He went twice weekly to the physio clinic and they also had him doing home exercises, which he did faithfully. The range of motion and strength did come back. THe numbness in the area never did improve 100% but did get much better with time. I would encourage you to ask and get started soon.
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- June 25, 2016 at 1:44 pm
CONGRATULATIONS ON THAT CLEAR REPORT…FANTASTIC!!! My husband started out Stage IIIC and had the radical neck dissection surgery in 2008. Quite the surgery in itself … surgical oncologist took out 98 (yes 98) lymph nodes with an all clear report as well. As you know that is from the upper neck down to the collar bone. He did not do any PT and the facial nerves were intact so no issues there. The nerve regeneration though can be painful. Ask your doc about a supplement for nerve repair. I don't think the shoulder issue with limited range of motion is unusual…ask about PT. They may give you gentle exercises that you can do at home. Something my husband always found interesting but very understandable…you can't sweat from that area due to all the lymphs are gone and so he developed lymphedema. This required some visits to a lymphedema specialist (this one was in Occupational Therapy and not Physical Therapy). She taught me how to do lymphatic massage of the neck, chest, etc. to get the lymphatic system moving. This does help with that issue.
Best wishes for recovery from your surgery and for your continued vigilance against this disease!!
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- June 25, 2016 at 1:44 pm
CONGRATULATIONS ON THAT CLEAR REPORT…FANTASTIC!!! My husband started out Stage IIIC and had the radical neck dissection surgery in 2008. Quite the surgery in itself … surgical oncologist took out 98 (yes 98) lymph nodes with an all clear report as well. As you know that is from the upper neck down to the collar bone. He did not do any PT and the facial nerves were intact so no issues there. The nerve regeneration though can be painful. Ask your doc about a supplement for nerve repair. I don't think the shoulder issue with limited range of motion is unusual…ask about PT. They may give you gentle exercises that you can do at home. Something my husband always found interesting but very understandable…you can't sweat from that area due to all the lymphs are gone and so he developed lymphedema. This required some visits to a lymphedema specialist (this one was in Occupational Therapy and not Physical Therapy). She taught me how to do lymphatic massage of the neck, chest, etc. to get the lymphatic system moving. This does help with that issue.
Best wishes for recovery from your surgery and for your continued vigilance against this disease!!
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- June 25, 2016 at 1:44 pm
CONGRATULATIONS ON THAT CLEAR REPORT…FANTASTIC!!! My husband started out Stage IIIC and had the radical neck dissection surgery in 2008. Quite the surgery in itself … surgical oncologist took out 98 (yes 98) lymph nodes with an all clear report as well. As you know that is from the upper neck down to the collar bone. He did not do any PT and the facial nerves were intact so no issues there. The nerve regeneration though can be painful. Ask your doc about a supplement for nerve repair. I don't think the shoulder issue with limited range of motion is unusual…ask about PT. They may give you gentle exercises that you can do at home. Something my husband always found interesting but very understandable…you can't sweat from that area due to all the lymphs are gone and so he developed lymphedema. This required some visits to a lymphedema specialist (this one was in Occupational Therapy and not Physical Therapy). She taught me how to do lymphatic massage of the neck, chest, etc. to get the lymphatic system moving. This does help with that issue.
Best wishes for recovery from your surgery and for your continued vigilance against this disease!!
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- June 25, 2016 at 1:45 pm
Hello,
Sorry about all the strange things but I think you surgeon should have warned you that you may need physical therapy to get your range of motion back.
My husband had a lesion down by the collar bone and when they took it out they had to take part of the nerve that affects the shoulder and arm movement as the lymph nodes wrap around it like a candy cane stripe is the way it was explained to us. He has a drooping left shoulder and he didn't get his range of motion back entirely. He has to bring his hand in toward the body and go up that way and sometimes even has to help lift it. We were told that he probably would have the droop and he may lose some range of motion before the surgery.
The one activity he had to do was stand out from a wall and walk you fingers up the wall as far as they would go, do this several times a day and you will find it goes higher with time. It may not be perfect but it does get better.
Hope this might help a little.
Judy (loving wife of Gene Stage IV and now NED for over 3.5 years)
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- June 25, 2016 at 1:45 pm
Hello,
Sorry about all the strange things but I think you surgeon should have warned you that you may need physical therapy to get your range of motion back.
My husband had a lesion down by the collar bone and when they took it out they had to take part of the nerve that affects the shoulder and arm movement as the lymph nodes wrap around it like a candy cane stripe is the way it was explained to us. He has a drooping left shoulder and he didn't get his range of motion back entirely. He has to bring his hand in toward the body and go up that way and sometimes even has to help lift it. We were told that he probably would have the droop and he may lose some range of motion before the surgery.
The one activity he had to do was stand out from a wall and walk you fingers up the wall as far as they would go, do this several times a day and you will find it goes higher with time. It may not be perfect but it does get better.
Hope this might help a little.
Judy (loving wife of Gene Stage IV and now NED for over 3.5 years)
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- June 25, 2016 at 1:45 pm
Hello,
Sorry about all the strange things but I think you surgeon should have warned you that you may need physical therapy to get your range of motion back.
My husband had a lesion down by the collar bone and when they took it out they had to take part of the nerve that affects the shoulder and arm movement as the lymph nodes wrap around it like a candy cane stripe is the way it was explained to us. He has a drooping left shoulder and he didn't get his range of motion back entirely. He has to bring his hand in toward the body and go up that way and sometimes even has to help lift it. We were told that he probably would have the droop and he may lose some range of motion before the surgery.
The one activity he had to do was stand out from a wall and walk you fingers up the wall as far as they would go, do this several times a day and you will find it goes higher with time. It may not be perfect but it does get better.
Hope this might help a little.
Judy (loving wife of Gene Stage IV and now NED for over 3.5 years)
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- June 26, 2016 at 9:22 pm
My daughter had node dissection in her right neck 3 years ago (1 of 26 was positive for melanoma). They had to remove part of her parotid gland as well. Apparently there is one branch of the facial nerve that doesn't like to be touched. She ended up with weakness of the right lower lip. Doesn't show during normal talking but affects her smile and grimace. Has gotten better over time but is still noticeable if you knew her before the surgery and is more pronounced when she is tired. Most people, though, aren't aware of it.
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- June 26, 2016 at 9:22 pm
My daughter had node dissection in her right neck 3 years ago (1 of 26 was positive for melanoma). They had to remove part of her parotid gland as well. Apparently there is one branch of the facial nerve that doesn't like to be touched. She ended up with weakness of the right lower lip. Doesn't show during normal talking but affects her smile and grimace. Has gotten better over time but is still noticeable if you knew her before the surgery and is more pronounced when she is tired. Most people, though, aren't aware of it.
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- June 26, 2016 at 9:22 pm
My daughter had node dissection in her right neck 3 years ago (1 of 26 was positive for melanoma). They had to remove part of her parotid gland as well. Apparently there is one branch of the facial nerve that doesn't like to be touched. She ended up with weakness of the right lower lip. Doesn't show during normal talking but affects her smile and grimace. Has gotten better over time but is still noticeable if you knew her before the surgery and is more pronounced when she is tired. Most people, though, aren't aware of it.
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- June 30, 2016 at 1:54 am
I had a left neck dissection May 17th of this year and am still recovering. They removed 60 nodes and unfortunately I had a total of 4 positive.
The recovery is much harder than I had been expecting. My left ear, neck, top of shoulder and collar bone area are completely numb and I was told not to expect that to change much. I also have drooping of my left bottom lip but otherwise can move my face well.
My big issue has been my shoulder. My doctor transected a branch of the spinal accessory nerve as it was entrapped in scar tissue from my initial lymph node biopsy. She did suture the nerve back up but it is very impaired at this point. Even with no know injury to that nerve, it is my understanding that it is vulnerable to being affected by removal of the lymph nodes during a neck dissection. This nerve heps us to lift our shouler (shrug), lift the arm out to the side and to the front, and keeps the scapula (shoulder blade) against the chest wall. Currently I can't move my arm farther than 90 degress to the side and about 110 degrees to the front, despite PT 3X week, and also have frequent burning pain in my shoulder blade. I am a nurse and have not been able to return to work yet.
Definately get PT! Your doctor should give you a referral. Keep the joint moblle with exercises so you don't lose range of motion. Frozen shoulder is possible if you do not.
Good luck! It is a bear of a surgery. It will get better.
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- June 30, 2016 at 1:54 am
I had a left neck dissection May 17th of this year and am still recovering. They removed 60 nodes and unfortunately I had a total of 4 positive.
The recovery is much harder than I had been expecting. My left ear, neck, top of shoulder and collar bone area are completely numb and I was told not to expect that to change much. I also have drooping of my left bottom lip but otherwise can move my face well.
My big issue has been my shoulder. My doctor transected a branch of the spinal accessory nerve as it was entrapped in scar tissue from my initial lymph node biopsy. She did suture the nerve back up but it is very impaired at this point. Even with no know injury to that nerve, it is my understanding that it is vulnerable to being affected by removal of the lymph nodes during a neck dissection. This nerve heps us to lift our shouler (shrug), lift the arm out to the side and to the front, and keeps the scapula (shoulder blade) against the chest wall. Currently I can't move my arm farther than 90 degress to the side and about 110 degrees to the front, despite PT 3X week, and also have frequent burning pain in my shoulder blade. I am a nurse and have not been able to return to work yet.
Definately get PT! Your doctor should give you a referral. Keep the joint moblle with exercises so you don't lose range of motion. Frozen shoulder is possible if you do not.
Good luck! It is a bear of a surgery. It will get better.
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- June 30, 2016 at 1:54 am
I had a left neck dissection May 17th of this year and am still recovering. They removed 60 nodes and unfortunately I had a total of 4 positive.
The recovery is much harder than I had been expecting. My left ear, neck, top of shoulder and collar bone area are completely numb and I was told not to expect that to change much. I also have drooping of my left bottom lip but otherwise can move my face well.
My big issue has been my shoulder. My doctor transected a branch of the spinal accessory nerve as it was entrapped in scar tissue from my initial lymph node biopsy. She did suture the nerve back up but it is very impaired at this point. Even with no know injury to that nerve, it is my understanding that it is vulnerable to being affected by removal of the lymph nodes during a neck dissection. This nerve heps us to lift our shouler (shrug), lift the arm out to the side and to the front, and keeps the scapula (shoulder blade) against the chest wall. Currently I can't move my arm farther than 90 degress to the side and about 110 degrees to the front, despite PT 3X week, and also have frequent burning pain in my shoulder blade. I am a nurse and have not been able to return to work yet.
Definately get PT! Your doctor should give you a referral. Keep the joint moblle with exercises so you don't lose range of motion. Frozen shoulder is possible if you do not.
Good luck! It is a bear of a surgery. It will get better.
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- January 18, 2018 at 12:54 am
Hi I had a selective neck dissection Dec 15 2017 61 nodes removed all clear but the 3.2 cm one. However totally ecased with no matasizing. Scar left side from ear to centre lower throat , horrible operation.
Very lucky the san , jugular , and scm all perserved so range of motion excellent. Just the numbness and stiffness driving me crazy. Upper shoulder to ear tip and half of neck numb. Doing PT but will this numbness go away ??
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- December 6, 2019 at 2:51 pm
In 1968 I had a Right Radical Neck Dissection at the Medical College of Virginia (now VCU Medical Center) by Dr. Walter Lawrence III, with a post-op diagnosis of Stage III Melanoma.I was lucky in that Dr. Lawrence had come down from Sloan-Kettering the previous year, bringing a new Radical Neck Dissection procedure, developed by himself and others, at Sloan-Kettering. This new procedure greatly reduced the horrible disfiguration once associated with older methods of neck dissection.
In a prolonged procedure, as Neck Dissections are (mine was over 9 hours) the surgical field is often bloody, nerves are often difficult to identify, and are frequently cut.
My 2nd Facial Nerve was accidentally cut, resulting in a permanent sagging of the face on the affected side. A procedure called a ‘sling,’ was offered (but declined) that can alleviate this problem, to some extent.
Unfortunately, at 51 years post-op, I still have a limited Range-of-Motion of the arm/shoulder on the affected side. This procedure usually requires the intentional sacrifice of the nerve that controls the trapezius muscle, resulting in drooping of the shoulder and difficulty in raising the arm over head.
But these side effects are certainly offset by being cancer free!
Being in health care for 40 years, I frequently came in contact with cancer patients, and my advice to them was always the same…If you spend every waking minute of your life worrying about dying…you may as well be dead….because you aren’t really living!
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