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    LesleyKS
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      Hello all.  I am a 34 year old female who has had, in less than year: Melanoma In Situ on left leg, pre-melanoma on back, several severe atypia and now a new one that I don't understand the pathology report for and would like anyone's help in understanding it.  My doctor wasn't really explaining it to me and I am wondering if that is because it is inconclusive?  This pathology is for the initial shave biopsy, I have already gone back and they did a punch biopsy on the site to remove more tissue.

      Hello all.  I am a 34 year old female who has had, in less than year: Melanoma In Situ on left leg, pre-melanoma on back, several severe atypia and now a new one that I don't understand the pathology report for and would like anyone's help in understanding it.  My doctor wasn't really explaining it to me and I am wondering if that is because it is inconclusive?  This pathology is for the initial shave biopsy, I have already gone back and they did a punch biopsy on the site to remove more tissue.  I am still waiting for the pathology report for the second removal.  Here is the report:

      "Submitted is a single cell slide of  shave biopsy material that shows a compound melanocytic proliferation composed of epithelioid cells within the epidermis primarily seen in confluent single cells along the lower epidermis and with rare cells in the spinous layer.  The dermal component consists of nested epithelioid cells as well.  The proliferation is transected at the base.

      Diagnosis: Skin, right posterior neck, compound melanocytic proliferation with epithelioid cell features, extending to the tissue margins.

      COMMENT: The differential diagnosis includes a compound nevus with spitzoid features versus an atypical spitzoid tumor.  The lateral and deep tissue margins are involved and therefore because circumscription is not seen, re-excision with appropriate margins to ensure complete removal is recommended"

      I had never heard of Spitz or spitzoid before and my doctor didn't explain it to me.  Google search are unhelpful and at times frightening so I would greatly appreciate any explanation any of you can provide.  Also, does anyone recommend sending the slides to someone else to get a better, more clear, diagnosis?  Or should I wait for the second pathology report?

      Thank you in advance for your support.

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        Janner
        Participant

          First off, I'd ask your derm when he does a biopsy to either use a punch to begin with, or a big enough shave to remove the entire lesion (both width AND depth).  If you have a biopsy, there is never a reason not to remove the entire lesion…. well, mostly never.  I guess if the lesion is very large, a partial biopsy may be done.  But in general, I'd want him to remove the entire lesion in the first setting.

          Spitz Nevi are typically found in people under 20 so it might be considered unusual for you to have a Spitz nevus at age 34.  Not saying it can't happen.  Spitz nevi are totally benign, but they look almost identical to melanoma under the microscope.  Is a dermatopathologist reading your slides?  Are you at a major cancer center/melanoma center?  If the final diagnosis is a Spitz Nevus, I could see getting a second opinion on the slides given your age.

          Best wishes,

          Janner

          Janner
          Participant

            First off, I'd ask your derm when he does a biopsy to either use a punch to begin with, or a big enough shave to remove the entire lesion (both width AND depth).  If you have a biopsy, there is never a reason not to remove the entire lesion…. well, mostly never.  I guess if the lesion is very large, a partial biopsy may be done.  But in general, I'd want him to remove the entire lesion in the first setting.

            Spitz Nevi are typically found in people under 20 so it might be considered unusual for you to have a Spitz nevus at age 34.  Not saying it can't happen.  Spitz nevi are totally benign, but they look almost identical to melanoma under the microscope.  Is a dermatopathologist reading your slides?  Are you at a major cancer center/melanoma center?  If the final diagnosis is a Spitz Nevus, I could see getting a second opinion on the slides given your age.

            Best wishes,

            Janner

            Janner
            Participant

              First off, I'd ask your derm when he does a biopsy to either use a punch to begin with, or a big enough shave to remove the entire lesion (both width AND depth).  If you have a biopsy, there is never a reason not to remove the entire lesion…. well, mostly never.  I guess if the lesion is very large, a partial biopsy may be done.  But in general, I'd want him to remove the entire lesion in the first setting.

              Spitz Nevi are typically found in people under 20 so it might be considered unusual for you to have a Spitz nevus at age 34.  Not saying it can't happen.  Spitz nevi are totally benign, but they look almost identical to melanoma under the microscope.  Is a dermatopathologist reading your slides?  Are you at a major cancer center/melanoma center?  If the final diagnosis is a Spitz Nevus, I could see getting a second opinion on the slides given your age.

              Best wishes,

              Janner

              trippettl
              Participant

                Hi,

                I am SO sympathetic to your quest to get precise definitions for your case!  I know it feels like you need an advanced degree yourself to figure out your diagnoses!

                I know I'm "late to the party" on this, but in any case, I wanted to second the point that a previous respondent made to you.  Yes–get a second opinion from a melanoma clinic!  If you don't know where to find one, I'm sure the MRF can help you.  I know of several myself:  Mass General in Boston, UCSF, Sloan Kettering in NYC, MD Anderson in Houston, and the Johns Hopkins Melanoma and Cutaneous Oncology Group are a few.  The last clinic is the one I used and even though Hopkins is huge, I felt that my case was handled very well.  Eventually, the doc I was seeing left and I went back to seeing my local dermatologist because I'd been with her for years and she excised my first melanoma.

                All of my melanomas (5) have been caught early and all have been"in situ."  I have had further excisions of all of them until the surgeon hit "clean" margins.  I've also had further excisions on any and all dysplasias.

                One thing that I wanted to share with you is that there is an ongoing debate among dermatologists about whether or not to excise "dysplastic nevi," if they're considered "mild."  Those, as you probably know by now, are moles that *may* become melanomas, or may remain dysplastic forever.  Some researchers balk at the idea that any mild-appearing (and how can they know just by looking with their naked eyes?) dysplasias should be biopsied at all, saying that patients are getting cut too much.  I can't tell you how vehementally I disagree with this opinion–I think it's totally irresponsible.

                So far, I have had 280+ moles and freckles removed (that's over 12 years).  Of those, about 33% have had some degree of dysplasia, and I ahve had all of them excised with a punch biospy first and then with follow-up outpatient surgeries.  I did have the Mohs procedure (the "skin shavin" technique) once because I had a "severe displaysia" (just shy of a melanoma) on a toe and there was no skin to stich together.

                I know that I've been extremely lucky.  I am absoutely vigilent with covering up and hats and sunscreen.  I am considering genetic testing for the BRAF gene but I'm not sure if my insurance co. will cover that (or set off alarm bells).

                Please get in touch with me to let me know how you're doing or if you have anything else to share about all of this.  It's terrifying, but there is LOTS of support and knowledge out there to help you on this crazy journey!  I send you all best thoughts and wishes!!  Laurie

                trippettl
                Participant

                  Hi,

                  I am SO sympathetic to your quest to get precise definitions for your case!  I know it feels like you need an advanced degree yourself to figure out your diagnoses!

                  I know I'm "late to the party" on this, but in any case, I wanted to second the point that a previous respondent made to you.  Yes–get a second opinion from a melanoma clinic!  If you don't know where to find one, I'm sure the MRF can help you.  I know of several myself:  Mass General in Boston, UCSF, Sloan Kettering in NYC, MD Anderson in Houston, and the Johns Hopkins Melanoma and Cutaneous Oncology Group are a few.  The last clinic is the one I used and even though Hopkins is huge, I felt that my case was handled very well.  Eventually, the doc I was seeing left and I went back to seeing my local dermatologist because I'd been with her for years and she excised my first melanoma.

                  All of my melanomas (5) have been caught early and all have been"in situ."  I have had further excisions of all of them until the surgeon hit "clean" margins.  I've also had further excisions on any and all dysplasias.

                  One thing that I wanted to share with you is that there is an ongoing debate among dermatologists about whether or not to excise "dysplastic nevi," if they're considered "mild."  Those, as you probably know by now, are moles that *may* become melanomas, or may remain dysplastic forever.  Some researchers balk at the idea that any mild-appearing (and how can they know just by looking with their naked eyes?) dysplasias should be biopsied at all, saying that patients are getting cut too much.  I can't tell you how vehementally I disagree with this opinion–I think it's totally irresponsible.

                  So far, I have had 280+ moles and freckles removed (that's over 12 years).  Of those, about 33% have had some degree of dysplasia, and I ahve had all of them excised with a punch biospy first and then with follow-up outpatient surgeries.  I did have the Mohs procedure (the "skin shavin" technique) once because I had a "severe displaysia" (just shy of a melanoma) on a toe and there was no skin to stich together.

                  I know that I've been extremely lucky.  I am absoutely vigilent with covering up and hats and sunscreen.  I am considering genetic testing for the BRAF gene but I'm not sure if my insurance co. will cover that (or set off alarm bells).

                  Please get in touch with me to let me know how you're doing or if you have anything else to share about all of this.  It's terrifying, but there is LOTS of support and knowledge out there to help you on this crazy journey!  I send you all best thoughts and wishes!!  Laurie

                  trippettl
                  Participant

                    Hi,

                    I am SO sympathetic to your quest to get precise definitions for your case!  I know it feels like you need an advanced degree yourself to figure out your diagnoses!

                    I know I'm "late to the party" on this, but in any case, I wanted to second the point that a previous respondent made to you.  Yes–get a second opinion from a melanoma clinic!  If you don't know where to find one, I'm sure the MRF can help you.  I know of several myself:  Mass General in Boston, UCSF, Sloan Kettering in NYC, MD Anderson in Houston, and the Johns Hopkins Melanoma and Cutaneous Oncology Group are a few.  The last clinic is the one I used and even though Hopkins is huge, I felt that my case was handled very well.  Eventually, the doc I was seeing left and I went back to seeing my local dermatologist because I'd been with her for years and she excised my first melanoma.

                    All of my melanomas (5) have been caught early and all have been"in situ."  I have had further excisions of all of them until the surgeon hit "clean" margins.  I've also had further excisions on any and all dysplasias.

                    One thing that I wanted to share with you is that there is an ongoing debate among dermatologists about whether or not to excise "dysplastic nevi," if they're considered "mild."  Those, as you probably know by now, are moles that *may* become melanomas, or may remain dysplastic forever.  Some researchers balk at the idea that any mild-appearing (and how can they know just by looking with their naked eyes?) dysplasias should be biopsied at all, saying that patients are getting cut too much.  I can't tell you how vehementally I disagree with this opinion–I think it's totally irresponsible.

                    So far, I have had 280+ moles and freckles removed (that's over 12 years).  Of those, about 33% have had some degree of dysplasia, and I ahve had all of them excised with a punch biospy first and then with follow-up outpatient surgeries.  I did have the Mohs procedure (the "skin shavin" technique) once because I had a "severe displaysia" (just shy of a melanoma) on a toe and there was no skin to stich together.

                    I know that I've been extremely lucky.  I am absoutely vigilent with covering up and hats and sunscreen.  I am considering genetic testing for the BRAF gene but I'm not sure if my insurance co. will cover that (or set off alarm bells).

                    Please get in touch with me to let me know how you're doing or if you have anything else to share about all of this.  It's terrifying, but there is LOTS of support and knowledge out there to help you on this crazy journey!  I send you all best thoughts and wishes!!  Laurie

                    LesleyKS
                    Participant

                      Janner,

                      Thank you for your response.  A dermatopathologist is reviewing my slides, at least I'm fairly positive they are.  I am just going to a dermatologist, not a cancer/melanoma center.  Should I look into that instead of dermatology given my history?  I will let you know what the final diagnosis is.  I'm thinking I will get a second opinion anyway since I don't feel the initial pathology is very clear.  I've seen better pathology reports.  ๐Ÿ™‚

                      Thanks!

                      Lesley

                      LesleyKS
                      Participant

                        Janner,

                        Thank you for your response.  A dermatopathologist is reviewing my slides, at least I'm fairly positive they are.  I am just going to a dermatologist, not a cancer/melanoma center.  Should I look into that instead of dermatology given my history?  I will let you know what the final diagnosis is.  I'm thinking I will get a second opinion anyway since I don't feel the initial pathology is very clear.  I've seen better pathology reports.  ๐Ÿ™‚

                        Thanks!

                        Lesley

                        LesleyKS
                        Participant

                          Janner,

                          Thank you for your response.  A dermatopathologist is reviewing my slides, at least I'm fairly positive they are.  I am just going to a dermatologist, not a cancer/melanoma center.  Should I look into that instead of dermatology given my history?  I will let you know what the final diagnosis is.  I'm thinking I will get a second opinion anyway since I don't feel the initial pathology is very clear.  I've seen better pathology reports.  ๐Ÿ™‚

                          Thanks!

                          Lesley

                          Janner
                          Participant

                            You can certainly be seen at a cancer center, but as long as your slides are being sent to a specialist, you're probably fine doing either.  I went to a normal derm until after my 2nd primary.  Then I went to a specialist.  But my normal derm used a well respected dermatopathologist so I felt like I was in good hands.  If you are happy where you are, stay.  If not, look elsewhere.  YOU have to feel good about this stuff, no one else.

                            If the spitz diagnosis is final, I'd send the stuff to Dr. Boris Bastian.  I think he's back at UCSF.  Expert in Spitz diagnosis among other things.

                            Janner
                            Participant

                              You can certainly be seen at a cancer center, but as long as your slides are being sent to a specialist, you're probably fine doing either.  I went to a normal derm until after my 2nd primary.  Then I went to a specialist.  But my normal derm used a well respected dermatopathologist so I felt like I was in good hands.  If you are happy where you are, stay.  If not, look elsewhere.  YOU have to feel good about this stuff, no one else.

                              If the spitz diagnosis is final, I'd send the stuff to Dr. Boris Bastian.  I think he's back at UCSF.  Expert in Spitz diagnosis among other things.

                              Janner
                              Participant

                                You can certainly be seen at a cancer center, but as long as your slides are being sent to a specialist, you're probably fine doing either.  I went to a normal derm until after my 2nd primary.  Then I went to a specialist.  But my normal derm used a well respected dermatopathologist so I felt like I was in good hands.  If you are happy where you are, stay.  If not, look elsewhere.  YOU have to feel good about this stuff, no one else.

                                If the spitz diagnosis is final, I'd send the stuff to Dr. Boris Bastian.  I think he's back at UCSF.  Expert in Spitz diagnosis among other things.

                                LesleyKS
                                Participant

                                  Laurie,

                                   

                                  Thank you so much for responding to my post.   I sent off the Spitz slides for a second opinion and I am facing more wide excisions for other moles.  I am having a mole removed from my lower back that has grown in the last several months.  It went from 1 cm in December to 1.5 cm in May so we will see what happens with that.  Because it is already big they are going to do a wide excision initially.  They also found a pre-melanoma on the bottom of my foot that they will have to do an excision on.  I've been having a hard time dealing with it.  I have always taken a lot of pride in my skin and now I have numerous scars and I must admit it is getting me down.  I have had 1 In Situ, now 2 pre-melanomas, 1 spitz, and 3 severe atypia removed in less than 1 year.  How do you stay positive and keep a good outlook with everything?  I'm sure over time it will be easier to deal with.  I'm getting tired of constantly having something removed or cut out.  Seems like every skin check I have done the last 12 months has come back with something that needs to be further removed.  I know there is nothing I can do to change what is happening except protect myself with sunblock, clothing or just plain staying out of the sun.  I have lived in Southern California my whole life and have always loved the outdoors.  I am not a sunbather and never have been but I have done sports and other outdoor activities.  I appreciate any words or wisdom or support you can offer to give myself an shot of positive self-esteem while dealing with this.

                                  Thank you,

                                   

                                  Lesley

                                  LesleyKS
                                  Participant

                                    Laurie,

                                     

                                    Thank you so much for responding to my post.   I sent off the Spitz slides for a second opinion and I am facing more wide excisions for other moles.  I am having a mole removed from my lower back that has grown in the last several months.  It went from 1 cm in December to 1.5 cm in May so we will see what happens with that.  Because it is already big they are going to do a wide excision initially.  They also found a pre-melanoma on the bottom of my foot that they will have to do an excision on.  I've been having a hard time dealing with it.  I have always taken a lot of pride in my skin and now I have numerous scars and I must admit it is getting me down.  I have had 1 In Situ, now 2 pre-melanomas, 1 spitz, and 3 severe atypia removed in less than 1 year.  How do you stay positive and keep a good outlook with everything?  I'm sure over time it will be easier to deal with.  I'm getting tired of constantly having something removed or cut out.  Seems like every skin check I have done the last 12 months has come back with something that needs to be further removed.  I know there is nothing I can do to change what is happening except protect myself with sunblock, clothing or just plain staying out of the sun.  I have lived in Southern California my whole life and have always loved the outdoors.  I am not a sunbather and never have been but I have done sports and other outdoor activities.  I appreciate any words or wisdom or support you can offer to give myself an shot of positive self-esteem while dealing with this.

                                    Thank you,

                                     

                                    Lesley

                                    LesleyKS
                                    Participant

                                      Laurie,

                                       

                                      Thank you so much for responding to my post.   I sent off the Spitz slides for a second opinion and I am facing more wide excisions for other moles.  I am having a mole removed from my lower back that has grown in the last several months.  It went from 1 cm in December to 1.5 cm in May so we will see what happens with that.  Because it is already big they are going to do a wide excision initially.  They also found a pre-melanoma on the bottom of my foot that they will have to do an excision on.  I've been having a hard time dealing with it.  I have always taken a lot of pride in my skin and now I have numerous scars and I must admit it is getting me down.  I have had 1 In Situ, now 2 pre-melanomas, 1 spitz, and 3 severe atypia removed in less than 1 year.  How do you stay positive and keep a good outlook with everything?  I'm sure over time it will be easier to deal with.  I'm getting tired of constantly having something removed or cut out.  Seems like every skin check I have done the last 12 months has come back with something that needs to be further removed.  I know there is nothing I can do to change what is happening except protect myself with sunblock, clothing or just plain staying out of the sun.  I have lived in Southern California my whole life and have always loved the outdoors.  I am not a sunbather and never have been but I have done sports and other outdoor activities.  I appreciate any words or wisdom or support you can offer to give myself an shot of positive self-esteem while dealing with this.

                                      Thank you,

                                       

                                      Lesley

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