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Merck’s PD1 Approved by FDA

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    mrf
    Keymaster

      The FDA has approved Merck's PD1 drug, pembrolizumab, for use in patients with metastatic or unresectable melanoma.

      The drug, which will be sold under the name Keytruda, was approved based on a trail of 173 patients. 24% had tumor shrinkage and most of those patients continued to respond after 8.5 months. This is by far the best response rate of any melanoma drug currently approved.

      The drug is approved for patients who have already been treated with ipi and, for those whose tumor has the BRAF mutation, with a BRAF inhibitor.

      Tim–MRF

       

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        JC
        Participant

          What would the estimated patient cost be per year for this?

          JC
          Participant

            What would the estimated patient cost be per year for this?

              RJoeyB
              Participant

                At the recommended dose of 2mg/kg given every three weeks, $12,500/month which works out to $150,000 for a full year.

                Joe

                 

                RJoeyB
                Participant

                  At the recommended dose of 2mg/kg given every three weeks, $12,500/month which works out to $150,000 for a full year.

                  Joe

                   

                  RJoeyB
                  Participant

                    At the recommended dose of 2mg/kg given every three weeks, $12,500/month which works out to $150,000 for a full year.

                    Joe

                     

                  JC
                  Participant

                    What would the estimated patient cost be per year for this?

                    RJoeyB
                    Participant
                      I just reread Merck’s press release and it says not only prior ipi, but disease progression on ipi within 24 weeks (6 months) following treatment and at least two doses of ipi.  I wonder what that means for someone who has to discontinue ipi after a single dose, or someone who has stable disease following ipi and then progresses after the six month period?  For the latter, do they have to go through ipi retreatment?
                       
                      Hopefully they'll offer some clarification and guidance around this.
                       
                      Joe
                       
                        shanemcdonald99
                        Participant

                          It means " too bad " for those who do not fit the criteria.

                          The object of this is to smear Bristol Meyers Yervoy and steal market share away in this billion dollar game.

                           

                          Why else would there be a stipulation that you had to have a "failed response to Bristol Meyer's Yervoy" , other than to taint the perception of the Bristol Meyer product and give themselves an edge.

                          Quite frankly, it's disgusting. I can only get the treatment if I failed on a competitor's product ?  Outrageous.

                          They had to beat Bristol Meyer to the market because Bristol Meyer has a follow up treatment about to be approved also. Their follow up anti pd1 treatment has had fantastic results, especially when used after, or with Yervoy. 

                          Bristol Meyer forced Merck's hand.

                          Whoever gets to market first, gets a huge advantage in this high stakes game of cancer treatment.

                           

                          shane

                          shanemcdonald99
                          Participant

                            It means " too bad " for those who do not fit the criteria.

                            The object of this is to smear Bristol Meyers Yervoy and steal market share away in this billion dollar game.

                             

                            Why else would there be a stipulation that you had to have a "failed response to Bristol Meyer's Yervoy" , other than to taint the perception of the Bristol Meyer product and give themselves an edge.

                            Quite frankly, it's disgusting. I can only get the treatment if I failed on a competitor's product ?  Outrageous.

                            They had to beat Bristol Meyer to the market because Bristol Meyer has a follow up treatment about to be approved also. Their follow up anti pd1 treatment has had fantastic results, especially when used after, or with Yervoy. 

                            Bristol Meyer forced Merck's hand.

                            Whoever gets to market first, gets a huge advantage in this high stakes game of cancer treatment.

                             

                            shane

                            BrianP
                            Participant

                              I don't know Shane. Maybe Tim can shed some light on why it is set up like it is. Why would you require a patient to use your competitor's product before they can use your's if you are solely concerned with market share. Strictly on a business decision I would want the customer to use my product first and only my product. 

                              BrianP
                              Participant

                                I don't know Shane. Maybe Tim can shed some light on why it is set up like it is. Why would you require a patient to use your competitor's product before they can use your's if you are solely concerned with market share. Strictly on a business decision I would want the customer to use my product first and only my product. 

                                BrianP
                                Participant

                                  I don't know Shane. Maybe Tim can shed some light on why it is set up like it is. Why would you require a patient to use your competitor's product before they can use your's if you are solely concerned with market share. Strictly on a business decision I would want the customer to use my product first and only my product. 

                                  RJoeyB
                                  Participant

                                    I don't think the "prior ipi" requirement was Merck's choice in an attempt to make BMS look bad.  It's a complicated situation for sure.  After having ipi on the market for only about three years, BMS themselves were probably fuming at the prospect of Merck getting accelerated approval (without completing their Phase III trial) for pembro and taking a huge chunk out of BMS' ipi revenue.  At the same time, BMS can't scream too loudly, because they'd love for nivo to get the same accelerated approval (they're supposedly going to submit for approval in the next few months), even though it will also eat into their ipi revenue — in other words, they'd much rather not lose any ipi revenue, but if they're going to, they'd prefer to lose it to another of their own products.  A cynic might wonder how hard BMS would have pushed nivo development, in order to protect ipi for a few more years, if Merck didn't have pembro, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.  There will be a big effort by BMS on the ipi/nivo combo front, I'm sure.  Again, a complicated situation, especially for BMS, and hence for the FDA.  As a patient, it's frustrating to say the least, but I also recognize that these companies are in business and drug development isn't cheap — not only the cost to develop them, but run trials, get approvals, etc.  Then factor in the development costs of drugs that don't make it to market, that have to be recouped somehow.  I'm neither a critic or defender of the industry, only a very interested observer who doesn't see an easy answer.

                                    With regards to my earlier questions, thinking a little further, I imagine the "at least two doses of ipi" requirement is to prevent someone from purposefully receiving the minimal dose with the sole intent of satisfying the requirement before moving on to pembro.  If a patient has to discontinue due to adverse side-effects, I think a doctor could still prescribe it off-label, at which point it would be up to the insurance company to approve it with extenuating circumstances.  Again, not ideal, but I'm guessing that's how it will be.  

                                    The same goes for the "disease progression within six months" of ipi requirement.  Again, I believe at that point a doctor could prescribe it off-label, but the justification to the insurance company might be more of a challenge.  At $120K for another 12-week course of ipi (after having already spent $120K for a first course), one wonders what an insurance company might decide compared to the cost of pembro, which will have an indeterminant cost based on if and for how long the patient responds to pembro.

                                    Hopefully this all changes quickly.  Once the final Phase III results are submitted to and reviewed by the FDA (not sure exactly where that stands), the FDA will lift these prior therapy requirements and make it a first-line treatment option alongside ipi and the BRAF agents.

                                    Exciting news today, but still plenty to navigate for anyone facing treatment decisions.

                                     
                                    RJoeyB
                                    Participant

                                      I don't think the "prior ipi" requirement was Merck's choice in an attempt to make BMS look bad.  It's a complicated situation for sure.  After having ipi on the market for only about three years, BMS themselves were probably fuming at the prospect of Merck getting accelerated approval (without completing their Phase III trial) for pembro and taking a huge chunk out of BMS' ipi revenue.  At the same time, BMS can't scream too loudly, because they'd love for nivo to get the same accelerated approval (they're supposedly going to submit for approval in the next few months), even though it will also eat into their ipi revenue — in other words, they'd much rather not lose any ipi revenue, but if they're going to, they'd prefer to lose it to another of their own products.  A cynic might wonder how hard BMS would have pushed nivo development, in order to protect ipi for a few more years, if Merck didn't have pembro, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.  There will be a big effort by BMS on the ipi/nivo combo front, I'm sure.  Again, a complicated situation, especially for BMS, and hence for the FDA.  As a patient, it's frustrating to say the least, but I also recognize that these companies are in business and drug development isn't cheap — not only the cost to develop them, but run trials, get approvals, etc.  Then factor in the development costs of drugs that don't make it to market, that have to be recouped somehow.  I'm neither a critic or defender of the industry, only a very interested observer who doesn't see an easy answer.

                                      With regards to my earlier questions, thinking a little further, I imagine the "at least two doses of ipi" requirement is to prevent someone from purposefully receiving the minimal dose with the sole intent of satisfying the requirement before moving on to pembro.  If a patient has to discontinue due to adverse side-effects, I think a doctor could still prescribe it off-label, at which point it would be up to the insurance company to approve it with extenuating circumstances.  Again, not ideal, but I'm guessing that's how it will be.  

                                      The same goes for the "disease progression within six months" of ipi requirement.  Again, I believe at that point a doctor could prescribe it off-label, but the justification to the insurance company might be more of a challenge.  At $120K for another 12-week course of ipi (after having already spent $120K for a first course), one wonders what an insurance company might decide compared to the cost of pembro, which will have an indeterminant cost based on if and for how long the patient responds to pembro.

                                      Hopefully this all changes quickly.  Once the final Phase III results are submitted to and reviewed by the FDA (not sure exactly where that stands), the FDA will lift these prior therapy requirements and make it a first-line treatment option alongside ipi and the BRAF agents.

                                      Exciting news today, but still plenty to navigate for anyone facing treatment decisions.

                                       
                                      RJoeyB
                                      Participant

                                        I don't think the "prior ipi" requirement was Merck's choice in an attempt to make BMS look bad.  It's a complicated situation for sure.  After having ipi on the market for only about three years, BMS themselves were probably fuming at the prospect of Merck getting accelerated approval (without completing their Phase III trial) for pembro and taking a huge chunk out of BMS' ipi revenue.  At the same time, BMS can't scream too loudly, because they'd love for nivo to get the same accelerated approval (they're supposedly going to submit for approval in the next few months), even though it will also eat into their ipi revenue — in other words, they'd much rather not lose any ipi revenue, but if they're going to, they'd prefer to lose it to another of their own products.  A cynic might wonder how hard BMS would have pushed nivo development, in order to protect ipi for a few more years, if Merck didn't have pembro, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.  There will be a big effort by BMS on the ipi/nivo combo front, I'm sure.  Again, a complicated situation, especially for BMS, and hence for the FDA.  As a patient, it's frustrating to say the least, but I also recognize that these companies are in business and drug development isn't cheap — not only the cost to develop them, but run trials, get approvals, etc.  Then factor in the development costs of drugs that don't make it to market, that have to be recouped somehow.  I'm neither a critic or defender of the industry, only a very interested observer who doesn't see an easy answer.

                                        With regards to my earlier questions, thinking a little further, I imagine the "at least two doses of ipi" requirement is to prevent someone from purposefully receiving the minimal dose with the sole intent of satisfying the requirement before moving on to pembro.  If a patient has to discontinue due to adverse side-effects, I think a doctor could still prescribe it off-label, at which point it would be up to the insurance company to approve it with extenuating circumstances.  Again, not ideal, but I'm guessing that's how it will be.  

                                        The same goes for the "disease progression within six months" of ipi requirement.  Again, I believe at that point a doctor could prescribe it off-label, but the justification to the insurance company might be more of a challenge.  At $120K for another 12-week course of ipi (after having already spent $120K for a first course), one wonders what an insurance company might decide compared to the cost of pembro, which will have an indeterminant cost based on if and for how long the patient responds to pembro.

                                        Hopefully this all changes quickly.  Once the final Phase III results are submitted to and reviewed by the FDA (not sure exactly where that stands), the FDA will lift these prior therapy requirements and make it a first-line treatment option alongside ipi and the BRAF agents.

                                        Exciting news today, but still plenty to navigate for anyone facing treatment decisions.

                                         
                                        RJoeyB
                                        Participant

                                          Posting a correction to one of my posts from last week.  In the Merck press release at:

                                          http://www.mercknewsroom.com/news-release/oncology-newsroom/merck-receives-accelerated-approval-keytruda-pembrolizumab-first-fda-

                                          I noted that Merck had a two-dose minimum of prior Yervoy and disease progression within six months of completing Yervoy to be eligible for pembro (Keytruda).  In another thread eariler today, someone pointed out that this was criteria used for the study which was used for the approval, but there's no indication that these criteria are in effect for the approved use.  Here's the section I was referencing:

                                          "The approval of KEYTRUDA was based on data from a multi-center, open-label, randomized, dose-comparative study cohort of the ongoing KEYNOTE-001 Phase 1b trial in patients with unresectable or metastatic melanoma and progression of disease. Key eligibility criteria included prior treatment with ipilimumab (two or more doses at 3 mg/kg or higher) and a BRAF or MEK inhibitor, if BRAF V600 mutation positive; and disease progression within 24 weeks following the last dose of ipilimumab."

                                          When it was pointed out to me and I reread it, I see that the first sentence notes that these were the criteria for the kEYNOTE-001 Phase 1b trial.  To be clear, prior ipil and BRAF or MEK (for BRAF-positive patients) is still required, but it would appear that the two dose minimum and disease progression within 24 months of ipi are not included in the final approval.

                                          My sincere apologies and thanks to "evleye" for pointing this out,
                                          Joe

                                           

                                          RJoeyB
                                          Participant

                                            Posting a correction to one of my posts from last week.  In the Merck press release at:

                                            http://www.mercknewsroom.com/news-release/oncology-newsroom/merck-receives-accelerated-approval-keytruda-pembrolizumab-first-fda-

                                            I noted that Merck had a two-dose minimum of prior Yervoy and disease progression within six months of completing Yervoy to be eligible for pembro (Keytruda).  In another thread eariler today, someone pointed out that this was criteria used for the study which was used for the approval, but there's no indication that these criteria are in effect for the approved use.  Here's the section I was referencing:

                                            "The approval of KEYTRUDA was based on data from a multi-center, open-label, randomized, dose-comparative study cohort of the ongoing KEYNOTE-001 Phase 1b trial in patients with unresectable or metastatic melanoma and progression of disease. Key eligibility criteria included prior treatment with ipilimumab (two or more doses at 3 mg/kg or higher) and a BRAF or MEK inhibitor, if BRAF V600 mutation positive; and disease progression within 24 weeks following the last dose of ipilimumab."

                                            When it was pointed out to me and I reread it, I see that the first sentence notes that these were the criteria for the kEYNOTE-001 Phase 1b trial.  To be clear, prior ipil and BRAF or MEK (for BRAF-positive patients) is still required, but it would appear that the two dose minimum and disease progression within 24 months of ipi are not included in the final approval.

                                            My sincere apologies and thanks to "evleye" for pointing this out,
                                            Joe

                                             

                                            RJoeyB
                                            Participant

                                              Posting a correction to one of my posts from last week.  In the Merck press release at:

                                              http://www.mercknewsroom.com/news-release/oncology-newsroom/merck-receives-accelerated-approval-keytruda-pembrolizumab-first-fda-

                                              I noted that Merck had a two-dose minimum of prior Yervoy and disease progression within six months of completing Yervoy to be eligible for pembro (Keytruda).  In another thread eariler today, someone pointed out that this was criteria used for the study which was used for the approval, but there's no indication that these criteria are in effect for the approved use.  Here's the section I was referencing:

                                              "The approval of KEYTRUDA was based on data from a multi-center, open-label, randomized, dose-comparative study cohort of the ongoing KEYNOTE-001 Phase 1b trial in patients with unresectable or metastatic melanoma and progression of disease. Key eligibility criteria included prior treatment with ipilimumab (two or more doses at 3 mg/kg or higher) and a BRAF or MEK inhibitor, if BRAF V600 mutation positive; and disease progression within 24 weeks following the last dose of ipilimumab."

                                              When it was pointed out to me and I reread it, I see that the first sentence notes that these were the criteria for the kEYNOTE-001 Phase 1b trial.  To be clear, prior ipil and BRAF or MEK (for BRAF-positive patients) is still required, but it would appear that the two dose minimum and disease progression within 24 months of ipi are not included in the final approval.

                                              My sincere apologies and thanks to "evleye" for pointing this out,
                                              Joe

                                               

                                              ecc26
                                              Participant

                                                Trial approval and FDA approval processes are complicated. To get approval (and funding) for trials they have to meet certain criteria because the idea is to try and determine better therapies both overall for patients but also how better to tailor therapy for the individual. Also keep in mind that pretty much any new drug in trial is going to require that FDA approved therapies be attempted before enrollment. Many of the previously approved therapies do work well for people and should not be discounted just because there's a new drug in development.

                                                In the Merk press announcement they also noted that they are still undergoing phase II and III trials with the drug (I didn't read that carefully, but these are likely in combo with Yervoy and/or other FDA approved therapies) so there are still likely opportunities to get the drug if you haven't been through/failed the other therapies. We all get a bit impatient sometimes wanting the most recent, most exciting thing coming down the pipe. 

                                                I certainly understand the frustration, but at least it has approval and is now (or will be soon) available outside of tirals and EAPs

                                                One step at a time, and couldn't have come at a better time for me!

                                                -Eva

                                                ecc26
                                                Participant

                                                  Trial approval and FDA approval processes are complicated. To get approval (and funding) for trials they have to meet certain criteria because the idea is to try and determine better therapies both overall for patients but also how better to tailor therapy for the individual. Also keep in mind that pretty much any new drug in trial is going to require that FDA approved therapies be attempted before enrollment. Many of the previously approved therapies do work well for people and should not be discounted just because there's a new drug in development.

                                                  In the Merk press announcement they also noted that they are still undergoing phase II and III trials with the drug (I didn't read that carefully, but these are likely in combo with Yervoy and/or other FDA approved therapies) so there are still likely opportunities to get the drug if you haven't been through/failed the other therapies. We all get a bit impatient sometimes wanting the most recent, most exciting thing coming down the pipe. 

                                                  I certainly understand the frustration, but at least it has approval and is now (or will be soon) available outside of tirals and EAPs

                                                  One step at a time, and couldn't have come at a better time for me!

                                                  -Eva

                                                  ecc26
                                                  Participant

                                                    Trial approval and FDA approval processes are complicated. To get approval (and funding) for trials they have to meet certain criteria because the idea is to try and determine better therapies both overall for patients but also how better to tailor therapy for the individual. Also keep in mind that pretty much any new drug in trial is going to require that FDA approved therapies be attempted before enrollment. Many of the previously approved therapies do work well for people and should not be discounted just because there's a new drug in development.

                                                    In the Merk press announcement they also noted that they are still undergoing phase II and III trials with the drug (I didn't read that carefully, but these are likely in combo with Yervoy and/or other FDA approved therapies) so there are still likely opportunities to get the drug if you haven't been through/failed the other therapies. We all get a bit impatient sometimes wanting the most recent, most exciting thing coming down the pipe. 

                                                    I certainly understand the frustration, but at least it has approval and is now (or will be soon) available outside of tirals and EAPs

                                                    One step at a time, and couldn't have come at a better time for me!

                                                    -Eva

                                                    shanemcdonald99
                                                    Participant

                                                      It means " too bad " for those who do not fit the criteria.

                                                      The object of this is to smear Bristol Meyers Yervoy and steal market share away in this billion dollar game.

                                                       

                                                      Why else would there be a stipulation that you had to have a "failed response to Bristol Meyer's Yervoy" , other than to taint the perception of the Bristol Meyer product and give themselves an edge.

                                                      Quite frankly, it's disgusting. I can only get the treatment if I failed on a competitor's product ?  Outrageous.

                                                      They had to beat Bristol Meyer to the market because Bristol Meyer has a follow up treatment about to be approved also. Their follow up anti pd1 treatment has had fantastic results, especially when used after, or with Yervoy. 

                                                      Bristol Meyer forced Merck's hand.

                                                      Whoever gets to market first, gets a huge advantage in this high stakes game of cancer treatment.

                                                       

                                                      shane

                                                      Scuba Doc
                                                      Participant

                                                        Pembrolizumab works just as well as a first line treatment — I wonder if  doctors will be able to get it 'Off Label" soon? And if insurance companies would help cover the cost?  

                                                        Scuba Doc
                                                        Participant

                                                          Pembrolizumab works just as well as a first line treatment — I wonder if  doctors will be able to get it 'Off Label" soon? And if insurance companies would help cover the cost?  

                                                          Scuba Doc
                                                          Participant

                                                            Pembrolizumab works just as well as a first line treatment — I wonder if  doctors will be able to get it 'Off Label" soon? And if insurance companies would help cover the cost?  

                                                            Bubbles
                                                            Participant

                                                              Sadly, the data is very clear that anti-PD1 products work much better in treatment naive patients.  Hopefully, studies that continue to demonstrate that, like those published this year at ASCO, will allow docs to pressure all companies involved….insurance and manufacturers…to gain approval and payment for use as they see fit BEFORE patients are forced to fail both ipi and BRAFi. 

                                                              Yet, at least it is a step forward toward needed treatment for some.  Thanks to all the ratties out there who made it happen!!!  Best – c

                                                              Bubbles
                                                              Participant

                                                                Sadly, the data is very clear that anti-PD1 products work much better in treatment naive patients.  Hopefully, studies that continue to demonstrate that, like those published this year at ASCO, will allow docs to pressure all companies involved….insurance and manufacturers…to gain approval and payment for use as they see fit BEFORE patients are forced to fail both ipi and BRAFi. 

                                                                Yet, at least it is a step forward toward needed treatment for some.  Thanks to all the ratties out there who made it happen!!!  Best – c

                                                                ed williams
                                                                Participant

                                                                  Well Celeste, I like to think of myself more alone the lines of a mouse than a rat. It is nice to see that we can all find something to debate after this wonderful news from Merck today. Being a mouse, from the BMS labs side of things has some advantages, mainly price tag, wow that is big bucks if you don't have coverage. My first thought about price, was will they charge by the Kilo and if so I am sure glad I am on the trial, otherwise I would need to go on a diet ASAP.  Here is something to think about, if the BMS trial of Ipi combined with Nivolumab get approved in the near future will insurance companies cover it ?  The trial that I am on has 4 doses of Ipi over 12 weeks and Nivolumab every two weeks for 2 years, I wonder what that price tag would look like?  My understanding is the big target for BMS is lung cancer approval with the combination. My stats might be off a little but I think there are around 200, 000 patients a year for lung cancer vs maybe 10,000 for melanoma. My last comment on the topic is ," boy I am sure glad these drugs are working." Stage 4 with brain and lung mets summer of 2013 and still here!!!!  Ed

                                                                  ed williams
                                                                  Participant

                                                                    Well Celeste, I like to think of myself more alone the lines of a mouse than a rat. It is nice to see that we can all find something to debate after this wonderful news from Merck today. Being a mouse, from the BMS labs side of things has some advantages, mainly price tag, wow that is big bucks if you don't have coverage. My first thought about price, was will they charge by the Kilo and if so I am sure glad I am on the trial, otherwise I would need to go on a diet ASAP.  Here is something to think about, if the BMS trial of Ipi combined with Nivolumab get approved in the near future will insurance companies cover it ?  The trial that I am on has 4 doses of Ipi over 12 weeks and Nivolumab every two weeks for 2 years, I wonder what that price tag would look like?  My understanding is the big target for BMS is lung cancer approval with the combination. My stats might be off a little but I think there are around 200, 000 patients a year for lung cancer vs maybe 10,000 for melanoma. My last comment on the topic is ," boy I am sure glad these drugs are working." Stage 4 with brain and lung mets summer of 2013 and still here!!!!  Ed

                                                                    ed williams
                                                                    Participant

                                                                      Well Celeste, I like to think of myself more alone the lines of a mouse than a rat. It is nice to see that we can all find something to debate after this wonderful news from Merck today. Being a mouse, from the BMS labs side of things has some advantages, mainly price tag, wow that is big bucks if you don't have coverage. My first thought about price, was will they charge by the Kilo and if so I am sure glad I am on the trial, otherwise I would need to go on a diet ASAP.  Here is something to think about, if the BMS trial of Ipi combined with Nivolumab get approved in the near future will insurance companies cover it ?  The trial that I am on has 4 doses of Ipi over 12 weeks and Nivolumab every two weeks for 2 years, I wonder what that price tag would look like?  My understanding is the big target for BMS is lung cancer approval with the combination. My stats might be off a little but I think there are around 200, 000 patients a year for lung cancer vs maybe 10,000 for melanoma. My last comment on the topic is ," boy I am sure glad these drugs are working." Stage 4 with brain and lung mets summer of 2013 and still here!!!!  Ed

                                                                      Bubbles
                                                                      Participant

                                                                        You can be a mouse, Ed!!!  I always rather liked being a rattie in my nivo trial.  I figured we rats had tougher tails.  But, either way….all of us are made of pretty tough stuff!!!  This approval provides a wonderful opportunity for many.  I just worry about those who may, STILL, not have the option as soon as they need it.  Hopefully, even more options and opportunities will come.  BMS will be sending in their FDA request for Nivo as a melanoma treatment by Sept 30 and as a treatment for lung cancer by the end of the year…so they say.  And yes, you are right.  The ipi and nivo combo is still in process as is some nivo/BRAF combos and nivo with anti-KIR.  Hopefully even more good news will come very soon!!! c

                                                                        Bubbles
                                                                        Participant

                                                                          You can be a mouse, Ed!!!  I always rather liked being a rattie in my nivo trial.  I figured we rats had tougher tails.  But, either way….all of us are made of pretty tough stuff!!!  This approval provides a wonderful opportunity for many.  I just worry about those who may, STILL, not have the option as soon as they need it.  Hopefully, even more options and opportunities will come.  BMS will be sending in their FDA request for Nivo as a melanoma treatment by Sept 30 and as a treatment for lung cancer by the end of the year…so they say.  And yes, you are right.  The ipi and nivo combo is still in process as is some nivo/BRAF combos and nivo with anti-KIR.  Hopefully even more good news will come very soon!!! c

                                                                          Bubbles
                                                                          Participant

                                                                            You can be a mouse, Ed!!!  I always rather liked being a rattie in my nivo trial.  I figured we rats had tougher tails.  But, either way….all of us are made of pretty tough stuff!!!  This approval provides a wonderful opportunity for many.  I just worry about those who may, STILL, not have the option as soon as they need it.  Hopefully, even more options and opportunities will come.  BMS will be sending in their FDA request for Nivo as a melanoma treatment by Sept 30 and as a treatment for lung cancer by the end of the year…so they say.  And yes, you are right.  The ipi and nivo combo is still in process as is some nivo/BRAF combos and nivo with anti-KIR.  Hopefully even more good news will come very soon!!! c

                                                                            RJoeyB
                                                                            Participant
                                                                              I've seen the study results showing the increased response rates for pembro/nivo in ipi-naïve vs. ipi-refractory patients (about 40% vs. 28% in one study), but does the data or analysis offer any insight into whether prior ipi treatment itself is the cause of the reduced response rate for subsequent pembro/nivo treatment, or if there’s something else at work here?  For example, while prior treatment with ipi could induce some sort of change or resistance to later treatment with pembro or nivo, couldn't it just as easily be that there is an as-of-yet undiscovered aspect, genetic or otherwise, of some patients’ disease that results in a lower response rate to any treatment, regardless of which is used first?  I'm not suggesting one or the other is the case, only wondering.  Until there are tests and biomarkers that help us understand why some patients respond to treatment (ipi, pembro, nivo, or other) and others don't, I don't know if this can even be answered, but I wonder if there are any early theories out there in the melanoma research community about this?
                                                                               
                                                                              Regardless, yes, today's news is another great step forward, with more steps clearly on the way, and certainly no one who's failed ipi should be discouraged from moving forward with pembro — or should we now say Keytruda?  (Who gets that job of branding these products? 😉
                                                                               
                                                                              Cheers, Joe
                                                                               
                                                                              RJoeyB
                                                                              Participant
                                                                                I've seen the study results showing the increased response rates for pembro/nivo in ipi-naïve vs. ipi-refractory patients (about 40% vs. 28% in one study), but does the data or analysis offer any insight into whether prior ipi treatment itself is the cause of the reduced response rate for subsequent pembro/nivo treatment, or if there’s something else at work here?  For example, while prior treatment with ipi could induce some sort of change or resistance to later treatment with pembro or nivo, couldn't it just as easily be that there is an as-of-yet undiscovered aspect, genetic or otherwise, of some patients’ disease that results in a lower response rate to any treatment, regardless of which is used first?  I'm not suggesting one or the other is the case, only wondering.  Until there are tests and biomarkers that help us understand why some patients respond to treatment (ipi, pembro, nivo, or other) and others don't, I don't know if this can even be answered, but I wonder if there are any early theories out there in the melanoma research community about this?
                                                                                 
                                                                                Regardless, yes, today's news is another great step forward, with more steps clearly on the way, and certainly no one who's failed ipi should be discouraged from moving forward with pembro — or should we now say Keytruda?  (Who gets that job of branding these products? 😉
                                                                                 
                                                                                Cheers, Joe
                                                                                 
                                                                                jualonso
                                                                                Participant

                                                                                  Hi Joe

                                                                                  Im totally agree with you, and that issue was commented with my onc. Many times i have thought the same as you, i think the different response to anti pd1 after ipi is not for ipi itself, is just because thouse people have a low response to inmunotheraphy and even taking pembro as a front line, the result would be the same.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Juan

                                                                                  jualonso
                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                    Hi Joe

                                                                                    Im totally agree with you, and that issue was commented with my onc. Many times i have thought the same as you, i think the different response to anti pd1 after ipi is not for ipi itself, is just because thouse people have a low response to inmunotheraphy and even taking pembro as a front line, the result would be the same.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Juan

                                                                                    jualonso
                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                      Hi Joe

                                                                                      Im totally agree with you, and that issue was commented with my onc. Many times i have thought the same as you, i think the different response to anti pd1 after ipi is not for ipi itself, is just because thouse people have a low response to inmunotheraphy and even taking pembro as a front line, the result would be the same.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Juan

                                                                                      BrianP
                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                        I've been wondering the same thing Joe.

                                                                                        BrianP
                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                          I've been wondering the same thing Joe.

                                                                                          BrianP
                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                            I've been wondering the same thing Joe.

                                                                                            Bubbles
                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                              Yes, Joe.  Many researchers are already deeply involved in the research related to the priming of the immune system and how to retrigger an immune response AGAIN when needed!!!  Charles Drake, MD, PhD from John Hopkins and many others have been working on this for some time.  This post includes a link to an amazing presentation he gave in Baltimore in Sept of 2013.  Luckily, smart guys like him are learning more everyday to the benefit of all of us.

                                                                                              http://chaoticallypreciselifeloveandmelanoma.blogspot.com/2014/06/how-to-make-anti-pd1-work-better-with.html

                                                                                              Yours, Celeste

                                                                                               

                                                                                              Bubbles
                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                Yes, Joe.  Many researchers are already deeply involved in the research related to the priming of the immune system and how to retrigger an immune response AGAIN when needed!!!  Charles Drake, MD, PhD from John Hopkins and many others have been working on this for some time.  This post includes a link to an amazing presentation he gave in Baltimore in Sept of 2013.  Luckily, smart guys like him are learning more everyday to the benefit of all of us.

                                                                                                http://chaoticallypreciselifeloveandmelanoma.blogspot.com/2014/06/how-to-make-anti-pd1-work-better-with.html

                                                                                                Yours, Celeste

                                                                                                 

                                                                                                Bubbles
                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                  Yes, Joe.  Many researchers are already deeply involved in the research related to the priming of the immune system and how to retrigger an immune response AGAIN when needed!!!  Charles Drake, MD, PhD from John Hopkins and many others have been working on this for some time.  This post includes a link to an amazing presentation he gave in Baltimore in Sept of 2013.  Luckily, smart guys like him are learning more everyday to the benefit of all of us.

                                                                                                  http://chaoticallypreciselifeloveandmelanoma.blogspot.com/2014/06/how-to-make-anti-pd1-work-better-with.html

                                                                                                  Yours, Celeste

                                                                                                   

                                                                                                  RJoeyB
                                                                                                  Participant
                                                                                                    I've seen the study results showing the increased response rates for pembro/nivo in ipi-naïve vs. ipi-refractory patients (about 40% vs. 28% in one study), but does the data or analysis offer any insight into whether prior ipi treatment itself is the cause of the reduced response rate for subsequent pembro/nivo treatment, or if there’s something else at work here?  For example, while prior treatment with ipi could induce some sort of change or resistance to later treatment with pembro or nivo, couldn't it just as easily be that there is an as-of-yet undiscovered aspect, genetic or otherwise, of some patients’ disease that results in a lower response rate to any treatment, regardless of which is used first?  I'm not suggesting one or the other is the case, only wondering.  Until there are tests and biomarkers that help us understand why some patients respond to treatment (ipi, pembro, nivo, or other) and others don't, I don't know if this can even be answered, but I wonder if there are any early theories out there in the melanoma research community about this?
                                                                                                     
                                                                                                    Regardless, yes, today's news is another great step forward, with more steps clearly on the way, and certainly no one who's failed ipi should be discouraged from moving forward with pembro — or should we now say Keytruda?  (Who gets that job of branding these products? 😉
                                                                                                     
                                                                                                    Cheers, Joe
                                                                                                     
                                                                                                    Bubbles
                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                      Sadly, the data is very clear that anti-PD1 products work much better in treatment naive patients.  Hopefully, studies that continue to demonstrate that, like those published this year at ASCO, will allow docs to pressure all companies involved….insurance and manufacturers…to gain approval and payment for use as they see fit BEFORE patients are forced to fail both ipi and BRAFi. 

                                                                                                      Yet, at least it is a step forward toward needed treatment for some.  Thanks to all the ratties out there who made it happen!!!  Best – c

                                                                                                    RJoeyB
                                                                                                    Participant
                                                                                                      I just reread Merck’s press release and it says not only prior ipi, but disease progression on ipi within 24 weeks (6 months) following treatment and at least two doses of ipi.  I wonder what that means for someone who has to discontinue ipi after a single dose, or someone who has stable disease following ipi and then progresses after the six month period?  For the latter, do they have to go through ipi retreatment?
                                                                                                       
                                                                                                      Hopefully they'll offer some clarification and guidance around this.
                                                                                                       
                                                                                                      Joe
                                                                                                       
                                                                                                      RJoeyB
                                                                                                      Participant
                                                                                                        I just reread Merck’s press release and it says not only prior ipi, but disease progression on ipi within 24 weeks (6 months) following treatment and at least two doses of ipi.  I wonder what that means for someone who has to discontinue ipi after a single dose, or someone who has stable disease following ipi and then progresses after the six month period?  For the latter, do they have to go through ipi retreatment?
                                                                                                         
                                                                                                        Hopefully they'll offer some clarification and guidance around this.
                                                                                                         
                                                                                                        Joe
                                                                                                         
                                                                                                        sweetaugust
                                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                                          Just reading this news brought tears to my eyes.  I am one of those 173 patients that was lucky enough to meet all the criteria to get on Merck's PD1 drug almost two years ago.  I was just a 38 year old person with no idea what decisions to make to try and save my own life.  I was lead by my doctors at Dana Farber to this trial for this drug….with no idea what would happen.  I had never taken any other drugs or treatments, this was my first. 

                                                                                                          I think the tears are for all the people out there that will finally have the opportunity that I have had.  When I had heard that the trial was closed and there were so many people suffering and unable to get it….I tried to get my doctors to take me off and give the rest of my portion to others that had young children they were trying to live for.  I know it doesn't work like that, but I was doing so well, why not spread the love. 

                                                                                                          So yes, the politics and the money behind the release of the drug is hard to see, but I see the tears of happiness people are shedding because they now have so much hope.

                                                                                                          It's a good day in history!

                                                                                                          Much health and happiness to you all,

                                                                                                          Laurie

                                                                                                          sweetaugust
                                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                                            Just reading this news brought tears to my eyes.  I am one of those 173 patients that was lucky enough to meet all the criteria to get on Merck's PD1 drug almost two years ago.  I was just a 38 year old person with no idea what decisions to make to try and save my own life.  I was lead by my doctors at Dana Farber to this trial for this drug….with no idea what would happen.  I had never taken any other drugs or treatments, this was my first. 

                                                                                                            I think the tears are for all the people out there that will finally have the opportunity that I have had.  When I had heard that the trial was closed and there were so many people suffering and unable to get it….I tried to get my doctors to take me off and give the rest of my portion to others that had young children they were trying to live for.  I know it doesn't work like that, but I was doing so well, why not spread the love. 

                                                                                                            So yes, the politics and the money behind the release of the drug is hard to see, but I see the tears of happiness people are shedding because they now have so much hope.

                                                                                                            It's a good day in history!

                                                                                                            Much health and happiness to you all,

                                                                                                            Laurie

                                                                                                            sweetaugust
                                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                                              Just reading this news brought tears to my eyes.  I am one of those 173 patients that was lucky enough to meet all the criteria to get on Merck's PD1 drug almost two years ago.  I was just a 38 year old person with no idea what decisions to make to try and save my own life.  I was lead by my doctors at Dana Farber to this trial for this drug….with no idea what would happen.  I had never taken any other drugs or treatments, this was my first. 

                                                                                                              I think the tears are for all the people out there that will finally have the opportunity that I have had.  When I had heard that the trial was closed and there were so many people suffering and unable to get it….I tried to get my doctors to take me off and give the rest of my portion to others that had young children they were trying to live for.  I know it doesn't work like that, but I was doing so well, why not spread the love. 

                                                                                                              So yes, the politics and the money behind the release of the drug is hard to see, but I see the tears of happiness people are shedding because they now have so much hope.

                                                                                                              It's a good day in history!

                                                                                                              Much health and happiness to you all,

                                                                                                              Laurie

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