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Just got diagnosed with stage 4 metastatic

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    Nicklindner
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      I am 33 years old and was originally diagnosed in 2011 with stage 3 c in my upper left shoulder and lymphnodes. They removed everything and did scans and found no further trace. I have been meeting with my oncologist and dermatologist regularly for the past 5 years. Last month I noticed a lump on my right side and long story short it is melanoma. Scans revealed the cancer has spread to my lung, spleen,right side, mid section. Dr prescribed opdivo and yervoy since I am BRAF negative. I am getting a second opinion at Penn next week. Guess I am looking to see if there are any success stories out there for situations like mine.  Just found out yesterday so not really sure how to deal with a prognosis of 12-18 months especially when I have a wife and 2 little kids at home.

      Thank you. 

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        cancersnewnormal
        Participant

          Hi… and an unfortunate "welcome" to the group. You will find a lot of success stories here, including those of us in the stage IV category. My situation was not terribly unlike yours. Stage 1a removed from the right shoulder in July 2007. Progressed to stage IV in April 2013, despite regular check ups. Mine metastisized to the lungs and brain. Opdivo and Yervoy are the strongest combo in current FDA approved status. My path was a little different, because although Yervoy was available, Pembro and Opdivo (both anti-PD1 targeting agents) were not yet FDA approved, and I could not enter trials due to uncontrolled brain metastasis. However… even with the need to take the long way around, I'm still here nearly 4 years later, and showing no signs of disease. You have a strong shot at beating this and watching your children grow up to have families of their own!

          Hopefully some of the folks who have personal experience with the Opdivo/Yervoy combo will chime in on how often the treatments are, and what their general side effects were. But, there are also folks here with a wealth of current knowledge simply through discussions with fellow fighters as well as information gathered via scientific abstracts, articles, and conferences. 

          I know the feeling of terror, and the fear of questioning whether you will make it to that next birthday or holiday celebration. Once you have a plan in place that you and your oncology team are comfortable with, much of that tension will ease. A second opinion is a fantastic idea, particularly with a melanoma specialist at a comprehensive cancer center. You mentioned "Penn"…. is that UPenn Abramson?

          Hug the wife and little ones, and hold strong. I think you'll find that 12-18 months turning into a much longer span of time. Even some of those who have "failed" the current FDA approved meds, are around the forum here, still battling through this beyond the 18 month mark. 

          cancersnewnormal
          Participant

            Hi… and an unfortunate "welcome" to the group. You will find a lot of success stories here, including those of us in the stage IV category. My situation was not terribly unlike yours. Stage 1a removed from the right shoulder in July 2007. Progressed to stage IV in April 2013, despite regular check ups. Mine metastisized to the lungs and brain. Opdivo and Yervoy are the strongest combo in current FDA approved status. My path was a little different, because although Yervoy was available, Pembro and Opdivo (both anti-PD1 targeting agents) were not yet FDA approved, and I could not enter trials due to uncontrolled brain metastasis. However… even with the need to take the long way around, I'm still here nearly 4 years later, and showing no signs of disease. You have a strong shot at beating this and watching your children grow up to have families of their own!

            Hopefully some of the folks who have personal experience with the Opdivo/Yervoy combo will chime in on how often the treatments are, and what their general side effects were. But, there are also folks here with a wealth of current knowledge simply through discussions with fellow fighters as well as information gathered via scientific abstracts, articles, and conferences. 

            I know the feeling of terror, and the fear of questioning whether you will make it to that next birthday or holiday celebration. Once you have a plan in place that you and your oncology team are comfortable with, much of that tension will ease. A second opinion is a fantastic idea, particularly with a melanoma specialist at a comprehensive cancer center. You mentioned "Penn"…. is that UPenn Abramson?

            Hug the wife and little ones, and hold strong. I think you'll find that 12-18 months turning into a much longer span of time. Even some of those who have "failed" the current FDA approved meds, are around the forum here, still battling through this beyond the 18 month mark. 

            cancersnewnormal
            Participant

              Hi… and an unfortunate "welcome" to the group. You will find a lot of success stories here, including those of us in the stage IV category. My situation was not terribly unlike yours. Stage 1a removed from the right shoulder in July 2007. Progressed to stage IV in April 2013, despite regular check ups. Mine metastisized to the lungs and brain. Opdivo and Yervoy are the strongest combo in current FDA approved status. My path was a little different, because although Yervoy was available, Pembro and Opdivo (both anti-PD1 targeting agents) were not yet FDA approved, and I could not enter trials due to uncontrolled brain metastasis. However… even with the need to take the long way around, I'm still here nearly 4 years later, and showing no signs of disease. You have a strong shot at beating this and watching your children grow up to have families of their own!

              Hopefully some of the folks who have personal experience with the Opdivo/Yervoy combo will chime in on how often the treatments are, and what their general side effects were. But, there are also folks here with a wealth of current knowledge simply through discussions with fellow fighters as well as information gathered via scientific abstracts, articles, and conferences. 

              I know the feeling of terror, and the fear of questioning whether you will make it to that next birthday or holiday celebration. Once you have a plan in place that you and your oncology team are comfortable with, much of that tension will ease. A second opinion is a fantastic idea, particularly with a melanoma specialist at a comprehensive cancer center. You mentioned "Penn"…. is that UPenn Abramson?

              Hug the wife and little ones, and hold strong. I think you'll find that 12-18 months turning into a much longer span of time. Even some of those who have "failed" the current FDA approved meds, are around the forum here, still battling through this beyond the 18 month mark. 

              Hukill
              Participant

                The summer of 2015 I had 2 melanomas removed, one from my forehead and from my crown which was stage 2b. PET scan did not show anything. June of this year I was drying off after a shower and felt a lump in my lower neck upper shoulder area. I knew what it was as soon as I felt it. I had anothe full body PET scan the next week followed by surgury to remove the tumor in my neck. PET scan had 7 tumors in my lungs. The largest was 1.7 cm. I started the NIVO/IPI combo a couple of weeks later as I was told it was the best way to fight for my life. I was very happy the second week after my fisrt dose to see the rash developing on my arms, my body was reacting to the drugs and therefore working. The first 6 to 8 weeks I had very little appetite and lost 28 pounds which was a good thing. Lost of fatigue during that time. Just after the second dose I developed a fever that lasted 6 weeks which was a pain but I stayed ahead of it with motrin. I have had a dry mouth for about 10 weeks now and my sweet and salty taste buds are kinda messed up. I started getting vitiligo about 5 weeks ago which I found out yesterday was a very positive sign. There is another thread on here about vitiligo. My 14 week scan had 3 tumors that were either gone or had dead tissue left, 2 tumors down to 2mm and 2.5 mm and the other 2 down to 1 cm from 1.4 and 1.7 cm. I get my 4th dose of just nivo tomorrow and then I go back to the combo for the maintanance part. I have been very lucky on the side effects as I never got the dreaded stomach issues. I am the first veteran at Audie Murphy VA hospital in San Antonio to get the combo treatment as my health was good enough to risk the side effects. The first 6 weeks I worked when I was not to tired but since I have pretty much worked 40 hour weeks except to go for treatment. My appetite is back and everyone tells me I look good even though they never told me that before I got sick. My sister has worked at a cancer treatment center in the Dallas/Ft.Worth area for over 30 years. I have had her run all of my treatment plans, radiology reports through her doctors. I have even sent copies of the PET scans and MRI and they have agreed with my VA Drs on everything so far. I am BRAF negative also. I do think you will probably be given a higher dose of Yervoy than I had since you have more wide spread cancer than I had. I was on 3mg per kilo of weight. I have read where others were on 10mg and developed bad side effects within the first week or 2. I guess I would say the combo for me has worked as well as I could have hope for based on results so far and on the low side effects I have had.

                  Nicklindner
                  Participant

                    Thank you both so much. It is incredibly comforting to hear these stories. Yes I am going to UPenn Abramson. I want so much to be hopeful but that 10 second clip of the oncologist saying 12-18 months periodically finds its way into my mind.  I have been told by some people I know to remove sugar from diet. Any other dietary suggestions or possible false information that I should be aware of?

                    thank you!

                    cancersnewnormal
                    Participant

                      Abramson is a comprehensive cancer center as designated by the National Cancer Institute. That's a very good thing, and a great place for a second opinion! Although it doesn't sound as if your current oncologist is off the mark with Ipi/Nivo combo. I travel to USC Norris in Los Angeles. I like having my team all under "one roof" for best communication purposes. Funny how many doctors end up involved when you start having radiation, surgeries, drug infusions, side effects…. the team builds QUICKLY! Plus, seeing everyone in the same place is kind of comforting. It becomes more of a home away from home when you're there every 2-4 weeks! On top of all that, the docs at comprehensive cancer centers are dedicated to learning and knowing the latest about the specific cancer/cancers that they treat. Those are the people who know what's being passed around the pipeline before it hits the general knowledge pool. I don't think that I ever once was given a prognoses time span. I was afraid to ask, and they certainly never volunteered the info. My medical oncologist always told me "I don't treat statistics. I treat individuals.". That said, "statistically", from the reading I had done… I should have been dead within 2-8 months. Brain mets carried a pretty horrifying prognosis before some of these newer immunotherapies came along. Ignore that oncologist's "12-18 months". You're an individual. You're young, and you've got a lot of reason to fight. Let's see how you do. : ) 

                      As for dietary intake….. I've always leaned toward the "healthy side". It doesn't hurt to be in top shape with everything you can throw at the fight. It may not directly benefit the cancer, but it can help with the side effects and recoveries. That said… I've never turned down a cookie, a pancake, pie, birthday cake… or any holiday treats! HA! Do what works best for you. If cutting back isn't going to cause mental suffering, it couldn't hurt to cut back a bit. But hey… the last thing you want to do is toss any added stress or suffering onto the pile. Don't pass up some sweets happiness or those ocassional  "Corona moments" (as my onc referred to them) just because you've got cancer. 

                      cancersnewnormal
                      Participant

                        Abramson is a comprehensive cancer center as designated by the National Cancer Institute. That's a very good thing, and a great place for a second opinion! Although it doesn't sound as if your current oncologist is off the mark with Ipi/Nivo combo. I travel to USC Norris in Los Angeles. I like having my team all under "one roof" for best communication purposes. Funny how many doctors end up involved when you start having radiation, surgeries, drug infusions, side effects…. the team builds QUICKLY! Plus, seeing everyone in the same place is kind of comforting. It becomes more of a home away from home when you're there every 2-4 weeks! On top of all that, the docs at comprehensive cancer centers are dedicated to learning and knowing the latest about the specific cancer/cancers that they treat. Those are the people who know what's being passed around the pipeline before it hits the general knowledge pool. I don't think that I ever once was given a prognoses time span. I was afraid to ask, and they certainly never volunteered the info. My medical oncologist always told me "I don't treat statistics. I treat individuals.". That said, "statistically", from the reading I had done… I should have been dead within 2-8 months. Brain mets carried a pretty horrifying prognosis before some of these newer immunotherapies came along. Ignore that oncologist's "12-18 months". You're an individual. You're young, and you've got a lot of reason to fight. Let's see how you do. : ) 

                        As for dietary intake….. I've always leaned toward the "healthy side". It doesn't hurt to be in top shape with everything you can throw at the fight. It may not directly benefit the cancer, but it can help with the side effects and recoveries. That said… I've never turned down a cookie, a pancake, pie, birthday cake… or any holiday treats! HA! Do what works best for you. If cutting back isn't going to cause mental suffering, it couldn't hurt to cut back a bit. But hey… the last thing you want to do is toss any added stress or suffering onto the pile. Don't pass up some sweets happiness or those ocassional  "Corona moments" (as my onc referred to them) just because you've got cancer. 

                        cancersnewnormal
                        Participant

                          Abramson is a comprehensive cancer center as designated by the National Cancer Institute. That's a very good thing, and a great place for a second opinion! Although it doesn't sound as if your current oncologist is off the mark with Ipi/Nivo combo. I travel to USC Norris in Los Angeles. I like having my team all under "one roof" for best communication purposes. Funny how many doctors end up involved when you start having radiation, surgeries, drug infusions, side effects…. the team builds QUICKLY! Plus, seeing everyone in the same place is kind of comforting. It becomes more of a home away from home when you're there every 2-4 weeks! On top of all that, the docs at comprehensive cancer centers are dedicated to learning and knowing the latest about the specific cancer/cancers that they treat. Those are the people who know what's being passed around the pipeline before it hits the general knowledge pool. I don't think that I ever once was given a prognoses time span. I was afraid to ask, and they certainly never volunteered the info. My medical oncologist always told me "I don't treat statistics. I treat individuals.". That said, "statistically", from the reading I had done… I should have been dead within 2-8 months. Brain mets carried a pretty horrifying prognosis before some of these newer immunotherapies came along. Ignore that oncologist's "12-18 months". You're an individual. You're young, and you've got a lot of reason to fight. Let's see how you do. : ) 

                          As for dietary intake….. I've always leaned toward the "healthy side". It doesn't hurt to be in top shape with everything you can throw at the fight. It may not directly benefit the cancer, but it can help with the side effects and recoveries. That said… I've never turned down a cookie, a pancake, pie, birthday cake… or any holiday treats! HA! Do what works best for you. If cutting back isn't going to cause mental suffering, it couldn't hurt to cut back a bit. But hey… the last thing you want to do is toss any added stress or suffering onto the pile. Don't pass up some sweets happiness or those ocassional  "Corona moments" (as my onc referred to them) just because you've got cancer. 

                          Bubbles
                          Participant

                            Sorry you have joined this club, but there is hope.  I had my first melanoma primary with a positive node in 2003.  A second primary with no positive nodes in 2007. I had no treatment other than CLND's with both events and monitoring.  In 2010 I developed melanoma mets to brain and lung.  I had the upper lobe of my lung removed and SRS to the brain met.  I was then treated with Nivo (Opdivo) in a trial for 2 1/2 years.  I remain NED.  So there is hope.  Additionally, anti-PD1 alone (nivo or pembro) have a roughly 40% response rate while the combo you are on does much better!! 

                            As far as diets and lack of sugar…you will find a variety of opinions here.  However, it is a fact that even if you live off turnip roots and green beans, your body will turn those into glucose as that is the fuel for all our cells.  I have been a bit of a health nut eating mostly fruits and veggies and being a runner all my life….even now!!  However, it did not protect me from melanoma in the first place, nor prevent my progression.  That said….I still believe in a healthy diet and exercise.  It just makes sense.  There is some data to support having adequate Vitamin D intake, possible benefits of curcumin (which can be taken as a supplement or is the yellow spice found in mustard and curry), and oddly enough…coffee.

                            Here's a link that addresses many of those dietary issues with the data available:  http://chaoticallypreciselifeloveandmelanoma.blogspot.com/2016/08/everything-cures-melanomaredux5.html

                            But probably much more importantly, here is a recent report showing the benefit of the combo you are taking vs ipi alone:  http://chaoticallypreciselifeloveandmelanoma.blogspot.com/2016/10/2-year-survival-outcomes-for-ipinivo.html

                            Hang in there.  Enjoy each day as best you can.  Love your peeps as much as you can.  Yours, celeste

                             

                             

                            Bubbles
                            Participant

                              Sorry you have joined this club, but there is hope.  I had my first melanoma primary with a positive node in 2003.  A second primary with no positive nodes in 2007. I had no treatment other than CLND's with both events and monitoring.  In 2010 I developed melanoma mets to brain and lung.  I had the upper lobe of my lung removed and SRS to the brain met.  I was then treated with Nivo (Opdivo) in a trial for 2 1/2 years.  I remain NED.  So there is hope.  Additionally, anti-PD1 alone (nivo or pembro) have a roughly 40% response rate while the combo you are on does much better!! 

                              As far as diets and lack of sugar…you will find a variety of opinions here.  However, it is a fact that even if you live off turnip roots and green beans, your body will turn those into glucose as that is the fuel for all our cells.  I have been a bit of a health nut eating mostly fruits and veggies and being a runner all my life….even now!!  However, it did not protect me from melanoma in the first place, nor prevent my progression.  That said….I still believe in a healthy diet and exercise.  It just makes sense.  There is some data to support having adequate Vitamin D intake, possible benefits of curcumin (which can be taken as a supplement or is the yellow spice found in mustard and curry), and oddly enough…coffee.

                              Here's a link that addresses many of those dietary issues with the data available:  http://chaoticallypreciselifeloveandmelanoma.blogspot.com/2016/08/everything-cures-melanomaredux5.html

                              But probably much more importantly, here is a recent report showing the benefit of the combo you are taking vs ipi alone:  http://chaoticallypreciselifeloveandmelanoma.blogspot.com/2016/10/2-year-survival-outcomes-for-ipinivo.html

                              Hang in there.  Enjoy each day as best you can.  Love your peeps as much as you can.  Yours, celeste

                               

                               

                              Bubbles
                              Participant

                                Sorry you have joined this club, but there is hope.  I had my first melanoma primary with a positive node in 2003.  A second primary with no positive nodes in 2007. I had no treatment other than CLND's with both events and monitoring.  In 2010 I developed melanoma mets to brain and lung.  I had the upper lobe of my lung removed and SRS to the brain met.  I was then treated with Nivo (Opdivo) in a trial for 2 1/2 years.  I remain NED.  So there is hope.  Additionally, anti-PD1 alone (nivo or pembro) have a roughly 40% response rate while the combo you are on does much better!! 

                                As far as diets and lack of sugar…you will find a variety of opinions here.  However, it is a fact that even if you live off turnip roots and green beans, your body will turn those into glucose as that is the fuel for all our cells.  I have been a bit of a health nut eating mostly fruits and veggies and being a runner all my life….even now!!  However, it did not protect me from melanoma in the first place, nor prevent my progression.  That said….I still believe in a healthy diet and exercise.  It just makes sense.  There is some data to support having adequate Vitamin D intake, possible benefits of curcumin (which can be taken as a supplement or is the yellow spice found in mustard and curry), and oddly enough…coffee.

                                Here's a link that addresses many of those dietary issues with the data available:  http://chaoticallypreciselifeloveandmelanoma.blogspot.com/2016/08/everything-cures-melanomaredux5.html

                                But probably much more importantly, here is a recent report showing the benefit of the combo you are taking vs ipi alone:  http://chaoticallypreciselifeloveandmelanoma.blogspot.com/2016/10/2-year-survival-outcomes-for-ipinivo.html

                                Hang in there.  Enjoy each day as best you can.  Love your peeps as much as you can.  Yours, celeste

                                 

                                 

                                Nicklindner
                                Participant

                                  Thank you both so much. It is incredibly comforting to hear these stories. Yes I am going to UPenn Abramson. I want so much to be hopeful but that 10 second clip of the oncologist saying 12-18 months periodically finds its way into my mind.  I have been told by some people I know to remove sugar from diet. Any other dietary suggestions or possible false information that I should be aware of?

                                  thank you!

                                  Nicklindner
                                  Participant

                                    Thank you both so much. It is incredibly comforting to hear these stories. Yes I am going to UPenn Abramson. I want so much to be hopeful but that 10 second clip of the oncologist saying 12-18 months periodically finds its way into my mind.  I have been told by some people I know to remove sugar from diet. Any other dietary suggestions or possible false information that I should be aware of?

                                    thank you!

                                  Hukill
                                  Participant

                                    The summer of 2015 I had 2 melanomas removed, one from my forehead and from my crown which was stage 2b. PET scan did not show anything. June of this year I was drying off after a shower and felt a lump in my lower neck upper shoulder area. I knew what it was as soon as I felt it. I had anothe full body PET scan the next week followed by surgury to remove the tumor in my neck. PET scan had 7 tumors in my lungs. The largest was 1.7 cm. I started the NIVO/IPI combo a couple of weeks later as I was told it was the best way to fight for my life. I was very happy the second week after my fisrt dose to see the rash developing on my arms, my body was reacting to the drugs and therefore working. The first 6 to 8 weeks I had very little appetite and lost 28 pounds which was a good thing. Lost of fatigue during that time. Just after the second dose I developed a fever that lasted 6 weeks which was a pain but I stayed ahead of it with motrin. I have had a dry mouth for about 10 weeks now and my sweet and salty taste buds are kinda messed up. I started getting vitiligo about 5 weeks ago which I found out yesterday was a very positive sign. There is another thread on here about vitiligo. My 14 week scan had 3 tumors that were either gone or had dead tissue left, 2 tumors down to 2mm and 2.5 mm and the other 2 down to 1 cm from 1.4 and 1.7 cm. I get my 4th dose of just nivo tomorrow and then I go back to the combo for the maintanance part. I have been very lucky on the side effects as I never got the dreaded stomach issues. I am the first veteran at Audie Murphy VA hospital in San Antonio to get the combo treatment as my health was good enough to risk the side effects. The first 6 weeks I worked when I was not to tired but since I have pretty much worked 40 hour weeks except to go for treatment. My appetite is back and everyone tells me I look good even though they never told me that before I got sick. My sister has worked at a cancer treatment center in the Dallas/Ft.Worth area for over 30 years. I have had her run all of my treatment plans, radiology reports through her doctors. I have even sent copies of the PET scans and MRI and they have agreed with my VA Drs on everything so far. I am BRAF negative also. I do think you will probably be given a higher dose of Yervoy than I had since you have more wide spread cancer than I had. I was on 3mg per kilo of weight. I have read where others were on 10mg and developed bad side effects within the first week or 2. I guess I would say the combo for me has worked as well as I could have hope for based on results so far and on the low side effects I have had.

                                    Hukill
                                    Participant

                                      The summer of 2015 I had 2 melanomas removed, one from my forehead and from my crown which was stage 2b. PET scan did not show anything. June of this year I was drying off after a shower and felt a lump in my lower neck upper shoulder area. I knew what it was as soon as I felt it. I had anothe full body PET scan the next week followed by surgury to remove the tumor in my neck. PET scan had 7 tumors in my lungs. The largest was 1.7 cm. I started the NIVO/IPI combo a couple of weeks later as I was told it was the best way to fight for my life. I was very happy the second week after my fisrt dose to see the rash developing on my arms, my body was reacting to the drugs and therefore working. The first 6 to 8 weeks I had very little appetite and lost 28 pounds which was a good thing. Lost of fatigue during that time. Just after the second dose I developed a fever that lasted 6 weeks which was a pain but I stayed ahead of it with motrin. I have had a dry mouth for about 10 weeks now and my sweet and salty taste buds are kinda messed up. I started getting vitiligo about 5 weeks ago which I found out yesterday was a very positive sign. There is another thread on here about vitiligo. My 14 week scan had 3 tumors that were either gone or had dead tissue left, 2 tumors down to 2mm and 2.5 mm and the other 2 down to 1 cm from 1.4 and 1.7 cm. I get my 4th dose of just nivo tomorrow and then I go back to the combo for the maintanance part. I have been very lucky on the side effects as I never got the dreaded stomach issues. I am the first veteran at Audie Murphy VA hospital in San Antonio to get the combo treatment as my health was good enough to risk the side effects. The first 6 weeks I worked when I was not to tired but since I have pretty much worked 40 hour weeks except to go for treatment. My appetite is back and everyone tells me I look good even though they never told me that before I got sick. My sister has worked at a cancer treatment center in the Dallas/Ft.Worth area for over 30 years. I have had her run all of my treatment plans, radiology reports through her doctors. I have even sent copies of the PET scans and MRI and they have agreed with my VA Drs on everything so far. I am BRAF negative also. I do think you will probably be given a higher dose of Yervoy than I had since you have more wide spread cancer than I had. I was on 3mg per kilo of weight. I have read where others were on 10mg and developed bad side effects within the first week or 2. I guess I would say the combo for me has worked as well as I could have hope for based on results so far and on the low side effects I have had.

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