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- January 23, 2018 at 6:35 pm
Hi, my girlfriend was diagnosed with Metastatic Malanoma with her initial sign being a mass in the parotid gland. She is 28 and very healthy/active so this had come has a major surprise to everyone. I am joining this forum for any help and advice I can get going into this battle. I have heard of immunotherapy having successful results as well as clinical trials. Also, I have been told about some non-traditional clinics (in Tijuana and Germany) that have had wonderful outcomes. All I am looking for is some direction. We are all very scared and want to make sure we are being proactive and stop things in their tracks. Anything helps.
Jan. 8, 2018:
Biopsy of Parotid Gland – Results: Trace of Melanoma
Jan. 18, 2018:
Dermatologist – NO PRIMARY FOUND
PET scan – only mass showing in Parotid, suspicion of abdominal area (liver)
MRI – brain scan came back clear
Scope of Mouth/Nose/Throat – all clear
Eye scan – clear
Jan. 22, 2018:
MRI of abdomen – lesions on liver and mesentery seen as abnormal
Scheduling now (Jan. 23, 2018):
biopsy of liver and mesentery
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- January 24, 2018 at 6:23 am
So sorry that you have to join the world of melanoma. You are smart to get as much information as possible. The best recommendation I can tell you is find a melanoma specialist. A specialist is so important as you go through this journey. Yes, immunotherapy is doing wonderful work for many folks. You will learn lots about that. Be patient with yourself and your girlfriend. You will be presented with lots of information. There are no dumb questions. This site is fantastic. Ed Williams and Bubbles have terrific information. Bubbles even has a blog which is helpful.
http://chaoticallypreciselifeloveandmelanoma.blogspot.com
So many good wishes your way.
Linda
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- January 24, 2018 at 12:21 pm
Thanks so much Linda!
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- January 24, 2018 at 2:39 pm
Hi Tyler,
Sorry you and your girl are dealing with this. Here is a basic review of melanoma care that I put together. It might be a helpful starting point:
Getting familiar with the language and seeking the care of a melanoma specialist are essential. Be very wary of "miracles"….if the miracle cures worked…none of us would be walking in our current melanoma shoes. On the other hand, incredible strides have been made in melanoma care in the past 5 or so years. When I was diagnosed in 2003….and even when I became Stage IV in 2010 with brain and lung mets…NONE of the current, effective melanoma treatments were FDA approved. Now…they are!!! I had immunotherapy in a trial (Nivolumab/Opdivo) from 2010 to 2013. I remain NED (no evidence of disease). There is HOPE!!!
Hang in there. Ask questions when you need. There are many intelligent, knowledgeable, caring people on this board. I wish you well. Celeste
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- January 24, 2018 at 4:54 pm
Thanks so much Bubbles. Your encouragement and help is grateful appreciated. We just got done with another appointment (oncologist/melanoma specialist) and she said we will be going with yervoy coupled with optivo for 3-4 months then do a PET scan. This will start after the liver biopsy comes back just to make sure…planning not to biopsy the mesentery due to it being surrounded by bowels. They are also looking into a mutation (BRAF and not sure what the other one was called) to see if that will alter what she takes.
Did you experience any side effects while on optivo?
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- January 24, 2018 at 5:35 pm
Ipi (anti-CTLA-4 also called: Ipilimumab or Yervoy) alone has about a 15% response rate. Anti-PD-1 alone (there are 2 products: Nivolumab, now Opdivo and Pembrolizumab now called Keytruda) has about a 40% response rate. All 3 of these meds are considered immunotherapy. When you combine Opdivo with Yervoy, often referred to as the ipi/nivo combo, response rates are more than 50% and often very "durable" (lasting). There is a great deal of info in the link I gave you on all of this and you can use the search bubble on my blog to learn more.
Side effects across immunotherapy are similar. Here is a post I created about that some time ago:
http://chaoticallypreciselifeloveandmelanoma.blogspot.com/2013/10/side-effects-of-nivolumab.html
This review of a discussion between 2 melanoma specialists may also be useful:
The primer link I gave you talks about immunotherapy and targeted therapy so you can look at that in light of the BRAF testing your girl's doc is doing.
All in all your girl will be getting the best treatment currently going for melanoma with the ipi/nivo combo. Ipi is known to be the bad boy of the combo. While side effects to all immunotherapy drugs include the same sort of things,with ipi they can be worse and more frequent. But, the other good new is: Some folks tolerate the combo very well with very little problems. AND…even if patients have to drop the ipi part of the combo due to side effects, they can usually carry on with the nivo maintenance portion very well and have excellent responses, even if they do not complete "all" the planned ipi doses.
Personally, I was on a very low dose of opdivo as I was in the first arm of a phase 1 trial. My dose was only 1mg/kg. My side effects were worse than some, much less than others. I did have rashes, fatigue, wheeze, mouth ulcers, joint pain and such. However, I kept working (some folks can, some can't) and most importantly – I'm still here!!!!
Hope that helps. Sounds like your girl is getting good care. An advocate in our corner means more to us melanoma peeps than you will ever know. Ask more questions as you need. Yours, Celeste
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- January 24, 2018 at 6:16 pm
Thanks so much for this information as well! I will be looking at all of these in between work. Another question I have as it seems like you have gone through this whole process in detail is…
…with all of this new and improved treatment how is the outlook for treatments or drugs in trials ahead of us?
You were extremely lucky to have had the opportunity to be in a trial for Optivo and, like you said, none of the tretments were yet approved by the FDA, but now they are.
From what you have heard and learned are the next wave of FDA approved drugs going to take even another big step?
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- January 24, 2018 at 6:41 pm
It is hard to say if the coming advances in melanoma care will be as great a leap…from NO effective treatments to those with a 50+% response…as we have experienced in the past 5+ years. However, many new drugs are in trials currently. New anti-PD-1 products. New inhibitors that are being combined with anti-PD-1. New targeted therapies and things to combine with them to decrease the development of resistance and increase their durability. As well as a fairly new category of meds, intralesional (or intratumoral) drugs that are injected directly into the tumors themselves. These drugs are showing improved responses, esp when combined with immunotherapy. Overall, the answer is: Yes! Melanoma research is learning more about melanoma and how to treat it daily!!! Furthermore, one thing we also know about melanoma, is that it isn't all created equal. There are many mutations and other factors that make it play differently and respond differently from one person vs another. Having more types of treatment in the arsenal create many more options and avenues of treatment (and therefore success!!!) for the individual melanoma patient and for all of us in general. Hang in there. c
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- January 24, 2018 at 7:37 pm
That is great news! Fingers crossed and until then we will make sure we fight hard and follow treatment religiously. I will make updates on this post as things move forward. You have been so much help and give us hope. One last question for you…we are very health consious and believe that eating well can help fight this thing as well. Or, if anything, help Katelyn's immune system to stayy strong. Have you done anything personally with your nutrition? Any blog reccomendations?
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- January 24, 2018 at 8:03 pm
Talk of diet and such to prevent or cure melanoma can get pretty contentious. You will find many "sources" who tell you to eat this, don't eat that…no sugar…blah, blah, blah. I have all sorts of diets, sites, etc legitimately evaluated by real science on my blog it you are interested. The only "foods" that have been PROVEN to have any effect at all on melanoma are: coffee, red wine, curcumin (the yellow stuff found in tumeric and curry), and "good bacteria" (like those in yogurt, kimchi and keffir). The "hot" topic regarding food…sort of….lately is related to the microbes in our gut. This recent article addresses some of it: Precision medicine using microbiota: Intestinal microbiota influence cancer patient responses to immunotherapy, by Jobin in Science Magazine. Here's a post on that topic, with additional links within:
In my opinion, as someone who advanced with melanoma, but who has also remained NED for more than 7 years after Stage IV melanoma, who has taken more nutrition courses than I can count and counsels families and their children on diet and nutrition daily – here's the deal: Be as healthy as you can. Avoid high fat junk. Exercise. Eat your fruits and veggies. Get your protein one way or another.
I'm the weirdo who eats all the vegetables. I have been a runner and believer in exercise all my life. But – I still have a glass of wine, steak, and chocolate cake if I decide to. Most folks who know me think I am a bit of a health nut. It still did not protect me from melanoma. So the short answer….I do not think any particular diet will save you. BUT, I think using common sense and being as healthy as you can be makes for a better life for all of us. c
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- January 24, 2018 at 8:42 pm
Ok great! It seems we may have alot in common in terms of lifestyle so that's good to hear it from you! One thing I'm learning is no matter how healthy anyone is this nasty disease can affect anyone.
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- February 2, 2018 at 10:03 pm
Hi Bubbles, quick update. Katelyn's biopsy came back from her liver and they said it was not melanoma, but that it was neuroendocrine. They never said whether it was cancerous or not and they said we just needed to see a GI specialist.
We are so confused and haven't been given any direction. They said they would be surgically removing her parotid gland and lymph nodes now. We are uncertain if this is what we should be doing as we have no idea what these lesions are in her liver and mesentery. All we know is that they said it isn't melanoma but never said it was cancerous.
Any advice would help. Thanks!
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- February 3, 2018 at 9:08 pm
That is good news of course, but before I had any other treatments or surgeries….I would make sure I understood EXACTLY what the diagnosis is to EVERYTHING and exactly what the plan is. The liver can certainly have a variety of benign cyst type issues. But, what is the plan? What nodes…exactly!? Sentinel nodes? A complete lymphadenectomy? She needs to be sure she is seeing a melanoma specialist. It is better to do things right than to do them in a rush. A tremendous amount has changed in melanoma care just since 2011. Not all typical oncologists and surgeons are up to date as they should be. If your girl's docs are….great! I would ask them what they know about immunotherapy. How many patients with melanoma have they treated? Have they administered ipi? Ipi/nivo? BRAF therapies? If you get blank looks or cavalier remarks…then seek help elsewhere. If you get thoughtful, knowledgeable responses….good and those docs should HAVE and SHARE a complete diagnosis and plan of care, with a rationale for their actions, with you. There is no harm seeking a second opinion if you feel you need one. I don't know if it would be an option, but Chicago certainly has excellent docs and centers…and there is MDAnderson in Texas. There may be additional options nearer to you as well. Hang in there. Being your own advocate…or having peeps who play that role for you…is essential in most things and certainly is in melanoma care. Celeste
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- February 5, 2018 at 1:26 am
Still thinking about you and yours…St. Louis and Kansas City should also have some good treatment/physician options for you. Huntsman in Salt Lake is another. Just depends on where you are exactly. Another…a bit out there thought….sometimes BRAF inhibitors (and your docs should be able to have BRAF testing done on the biopsy) started super quick can decrease tumor burden very rapidly if you are BRAF positive and could possibly decrease the size of the tumor in the parotid, thereby decreasing the invasiveness of the surgery if there is a great deal of tumor bulk there. (Though I can't tell if that is really an issue from what you have said.) Of course, if a strategy like that were to be adopted, the next part of the treatment would be then rapidly switching to immunotherapy (like ipi/nivo) before tumor work-around occurred. But…this is a pretty agressive strategy…and a simpler one is not necessarily bad and might be more feasible. Just thinking. Also….you might need to start a new thread so as to get more input. Sadly, melanoma is all too prevalent and you are already on page 4-5 of this forum….making it harder for folks to keep up. yours, celeste
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- February 5, 2018 at 12:02 pm
Thanks so much Bubbles. Sorry for the late response it had been a busy weekend for us. Plan for now is to meet with a GI specialist/Oncologist for the liver mesentery who Dr. Marr Oncologist (melanoma specialist) referred, then we are meeting with the head neck and throat surgeon and Dr. Marr (University of Nebraska Medical Center) to talk about the parotid and surgery there. They said parotid plus 15-20 nodes. We are waiting on the results to come back on the parotid biopsy to see if there’s a BRAF mutation as well
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- February 3, 2018 at 11:29 pm
Just FYI, this is a fairly complex surgery with the chance for facial nerve damage and scarring to the face and neck. Make sure you are comfortable with your team. After discussing the surgery with doctors at 3 hospitals I ended up at MD Anderson. I had my parotid and temporal bone removed with a complete lymph node dissection and am pleased with the final outcome. Much better than i expected.
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- February 5, 2018 at 12:03 pm
Thanks so much kst. Sorry for the late response it had been a busy weekend for us. Plan for now is to meet with a GI specialist/Oncologist for the liver mesentery who Dr. Marr Oncologist (melanoma specialist) referred, then we are meeting with the head neck and throat surgeon and Dr. Marr (University of Nebraska Medical Center) to talk about the parotid and surgery there. They said parotid plus 15-20 nodes. We are waiting on the results to come back on the parotid biopsy to see if there’s a BRAF mutation as well
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