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Could we get faster approvalsif we had four legs?

Forums General Melanoma Community Could we get faster approvalsif we had four legs?

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      JerryfromFauq
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        Morphogenesis announces USDA-sanctioned trial of promising equine vaccine

        Human implications of equine cancer vaccine

         

        JerryfromFauq
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          Morphogenesis announces USDA-sanctioned trial of promising equine vaccine

          Human implications of equine cancer vaccine

           

          JerryfromFauq
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            Morphogenesis announces USDA-sanctioned trial of promising equine vaccine

            Human implications of equine cancer vaccine

             

            Kim K
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              Sometimes it's a species thing.  Human vaccines are based on the same theories used for the canine and equine vaccine.  Unfortunately they haven't worked out as well for humans.  Thus you can't just vaccinate with the dog or horse version.

              Melanoma in dogs is usually bengin unless oral / occular mel.  In cats and horses, deadly.  There is enough species vairation in immune systems among other things that make it not as easy to just take what works in one species and apply it to another.

              I did see metastatic mel in a steer once.  Cause of death was to become guest of honor at his own dinner.  Needless to say he wasn't eaten once opened up.

              Example of immune differnences – in dogs, allergic reactions tend to be cardiovascular (anaphalaxis) where in cats the same reaction affects the lungs leading to more of an acute asthma attack.  Go figure.

                SoCalDave
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                  It's a great time to be a mouse!

                  Kim K
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                    Yeah, only thing is that they only live 2-3 years max on average.  Something about that tail just wigs me out…..  Cute paws though.

                    JerryfromFauq
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                      Hi Kim, Have you followed the story of the Oncept vaccine?

                      http://www.vetcancerspecialists.com/blog/2013/1/31/the-controversy-surrounding-the-melanoma-vaccine-for-dogs/

                       In 2007, Merial released their melanoma vaccine (Oncept) for the prevention of spread of melanoma to the lungs and lymph nodes in dogs with stage 2 and stage 3 melanoma.  The Merial melanoma vaccine for dogs consists of DNA encoding the gene for the human melanocyte protein tyrosinase.

                      Iniatially the treatment was being developed for humans when the Canine Lab asked thye human researchers if they had anything that they could try on a dog.  I'm not sure exactly what changes they nade to the one being developed for people, but what they administered to doogs was USDA approved in 2010.  The Human version is still in the standard climical trial route for humans. 

                      http://www.cliniciansbrief.com/sites/default/files/attachments/Canine%20Melanoma%20Vaccine.pdf

                      (Remember at the sstart many of the human treatments have only added, o n average a coouple of months of life to people.  Of course some people are still NED that thried the anti-CTLA-4 treaatment in 2009.  (Now named YERVOY.)

                      JerryfromFauq
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                        Hi Kim, Have you followed the story of the Oncept vaccine?

                        http://www.vetcancerspecialists.com/blog/2013/1/31/the-controversy-surrounding-the-melanoma-vaccine-for-dogs/

                         In 2007, Merial released their melanoma vaccine (Oncept) for the prevention of spread of melanoma to the lungs and lymph nodes in dogs with stage 2 and stage 3 melanoma.  The Merial melanoma vaccine for dogs consists of DNA encoding the gene for the human melanocyte protein tyrosinase.

                        Iniatially the treatment was being developed for humans when the Canine Lab asked thye human researchers if they had anything that they could try on a dog.  I'm not sure exactly what changes they nade to the one being developed for people, but what they administered to doogs was USDA approved in 2010.  The Human version is still in the standard climical trial route for humans. 

                        http://www.cliniciansbrief.com/sites/default/files/attachments/Canine%20Melanoma%20Vaccine.pdf

                        (Remember at the sstart many of the human treatments have only added, o n average a coouple of months of life to people.  Of course some people are still NED that thried the anti-CTLA-4 treaatment in 2009.  (Now named YERVOY.)

                        JerryfromFauq
                        Participant

                          Hi Kim, Have you followed the story of the Oncept vaccine?

                          http://www.vetcancerspecialists.com/blog/2013/1/31/the-controversy-surrounding-the-melanoma-vaccine-for-dogs/

                           In 2007, Merial released their melanoma vaccine (Oncept) for the prevention of spread of melanoma to the lungs and lymph nodes in dogs with stage 2 and stage 3 melanoma.  The Merial melanoma vaccine for dogs consists of DNA encoding the gene for the human melanocyte protein tyrosinase.

                          Iniatially the treatment was being developed for humans when the Canine Lab asked thye human researchers if they had anything that they could try on a dog.  I'm not sure exactly what changes they nade to the one being developed for people, but what they administered to doogs was USDA approved in 2010.  The Human version is still in the standard climical trial route for humans. 

                          http://www.cliniciansbrief.com/sites/default/files/attachments/Canine%20Melanoma%20Vaccine.pdf

                          (Remember at the sstart many of the human treatments have only added, o n average a coouple of months of life to people.  Of course some people are still NED that thried the anti-CTLA-4 treaatment in 2009.  (Now named YERVOY.)

                          Kim K
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                            Yeah, only thing is that they only live 2-3 years max on average.  Something about that tail just wigs me out…..  Cute paws though.

                            Kim K
                            Participant

                              Yeah, only thing is that they only live 2-3 years max on average.  Something about that tail just wigs me out…..  Cute paws though.

                              SoCalDave
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                                It's a great time to be a mouse!

                                SoCalDave
                                Participant

                                  It's a great time to be a mouse!

                                Kim K
                                Participant

                                  Sometimes it's a species thing.  Human vaccines are based on the same theories used for the canine and equine vaccine.  Unfortunately they haven't worked out as well for humans.  Thus you can't just vaccinate with the dog or horse version.

                                  Melanoma in dogs is usually bengin unless oral / occular mel.  In cats and horses, deadly.  There is enough species vairation in immune systems among other things that make it not as easy to just take what works in one species and apply it to another.

                                  I did see metastatic mel in a steer once.  Cause of death was to become guest of honor at his own dinner.  Needless to say he wasn't eaten once opened up.

                                  Example of immune differnences – in dogs, allergic reactions tend to be cardiovascular (anaphalaxis) where in cats the same reaction affects the lungs leading to more of an acute asthma attack.  Go figure.

                                  Kim K
                                  Participant

                                    Sometimes it's a species thing.  Human vaccines are based on the same theories used for the canine and equine vaccine.  Unfortunately they haven't worked out as well for humans.  Thus you can't just vaccinate with the dog or horse version.

                                    Melanoma in dogs is usually bengin unless oral / occular mel.  In cats and horses, deadly.  There is enough species vairation in immune systems among other things that make it not as easy to just take what works in one species and apply it to another.

                                    I did see metastatic mel in a steer once.  Cause of death was to become guest of honor at his own dinner.  Needless to say he wasn't eaten once opened up.

                                    Example of immune differnences – in dogs, allergic reactions tend to be cardiovascular (anaphalaxis) where in cats the same reaction affects the lungs leading to more of an acute asthma attack.  Go figure.

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