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- July 29, 2013 at 8:40 pm
Anyone ever heard of or tried this product. I just saw a physician that highly recommended it. The Product info is here:
http://www.theharmonycompany.com/product/AveULTRA-Avemar-Fermented-Wheat-Germ-Extract
Anyone ever heard of or tried this product. I just saw a physician that highly recommended it. The Product info is here:
http://www.theharmonycompany.com/product/AveULTRA-Avemar-Fermented-Wheat-Germ-Extract
More interesting, the supporting data/clinical study info is posted here. The first paragraph talks about study results in patients with melanoma. The results are overwhelmingly positive.
http://www.avemarresearch.com/TOC.html
You know what they say about stuff on the internet, it has to be true, right? (that's sarcasm by the way). It does sound legit though and they claim the inventor is a nobel science awardee. The stuff is about $150 a month so it's not cheap. It just seems like the claims are too good to be true without having more widespread knowledge of the product. I did a search on here and it was only mentioned twice and neither of those mentions was by anyone that had tried the product or were endorsing it. Just curious if anyone has any comments.
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- July 29, 2013 at 8:52 pm
n=56 – not a huge study. Here is MSKCC's blurb:
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- July 29, 2013 at 8:52 pm
n=56 – not a huge study. Here is MSKCC's blurb:
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- July 29, 2013 at 8:52 pm
n=56 – not a huge study. Here is MSKCC's blurb:
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- July 29, 2013 at 11:41 pm
I do take this, every second morning to make it more affordable. I think whomever decides to independently take any CAM needs to do so based on their own unbiased research, but personally I do credit this with helping my ALC count rise significantly before Ipi. Avemar does (to me) seem to have enough research behind it to validate my $75/month outlay.
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- July 29, 2013 at 11:41 pm
I do take this, every second morning to make it more affordable. I think whomever decides to independently take any CAM needs to do so based on their own unbiased research, but personally I do credit this with helping my ALC count rise significantly before Ipi. Avemar does (to me) seem to have enough research behind it to validate my $75/month outlay.
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- July 29, 2013 at 11:41 pm
I do take this, every second morning to make it more affordable. I think whomever decides to independently take any CAM needs to do so based on their own unbiased research, but personally I do credit this with helping my ALC count rise significantly before Ipi. Avemar does (to me) seem to have enough research behind it to validate my $75/month outlay.
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- July 29, 2013 at 11:44 pm
Brian-
As for most herbal and naturopathic treatments, the scientific evidence of it being of clinical benefit is practically non-existant. There was only one published paper in a peer-reviewed journal and that was in 2008. I have not been able to access the full article, only the abstract. However, in the case of fermented wheat germ extract, there is no evidence that it does any harm, either. The best write up I saw about it is here: http://www.cam-cancer.org/CAM-Summaries/Dietary-approaches/Fermented-wheat-germ-extract/(merge)
It sounds to me like this would be a personal choice for you, as long as you discuss it with your oncologist to be sure that it doesn't interfere with any other treatments or medications you are taking.
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- July 29, 2013 at 11:44 pm
Brian-
As for most herbal and naturopathic treatments, the scientific evidence of it being of clinical benefit is practically non-existant. There was only one published paper in a peer-reviewed journal and that was in 2008. I have not been able to access the full article, only the abstract. However, in the case of fermented wheat germ extract, there is no evidence that it does any harm, either. The best write up I saw about it is here: http://www.cam-cancer.org/CAM-Summaries/Dietary-approaches/Fermented-wheat-germ-extract/(merge)
It sounds to me like this would be a personal choice for you, as long as you discuss it with your oncologist to be sure that it doesn't interfere with any other treatments or medications you are taking.
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- July 29, 2013 at 11:44 pm
Brian-
As for most herbal and naturopathic treatments, the scientific evidence of it being of clinical benefit is practically non-existant. There was only one published paper in a peer-reviewed journal and that was in 2008. I have not been able to access the full article, only the abstract. However, in the case of fermented wheat germ extract, there is no evidence that it does any harm, either. The best write up I saw about it is here: http://www.cam-cancer.org/CAM-Summaries/Dietary-approaches/Fermented-wheat-germ-extract/(merge)
It sounds to me like this would be a personal choice for you, as long as you discuss it with your oncologist to be sure that it doesn't interfere with any other treatments or medications you are taking.
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- July 30, 2013 at 1:34 am
The method for making this extract was filed with the US Patent Office in 1998. You can read it at: http://www.google.com/patents/US6355474
They do not KNOW what compound in the extract is doing the job, but they think it is something called benzoquinone (abbreviated 2.6-DMBQ). It occurs naturally in wheat germ. However, as with so many natural remedies, the concentration in the plant is very low. The fermentation, clarification, and drying process concentrates the DMBQ so you can ingest enough of it to get an effect. The patent talks about how much of the extract to take.
If you are seriously interested in persuing this (from wheat germ or from some other source) I suggest you consult a good naturopathic doctor. They may be able to suggest other sources of DMBQ or they may have access to drying equipment that you can use to make your own.
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- July 30, 2013 at 2:06 am
Thanks Pat.
It is a shame that the scientific community hasn't put more effort into investigating herbal and naturaopathic treatments like this. Especially when early trials like this one shows promise. I guess it boils down to what makes money and herbal and naturopathic treatments apparently is not where the money is.
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- July 30, 2013 at 3:14 am
Yes, I did. Oncologists are professionally obliged not to recomend "treatments" not endorsed by the mainstream medicine, which Avemar is definitely not, which is the reply I got.
I do believe this played a role in boosting my lymphocytes. My ALC was 0.7 for months prior to taking Avemar. Two weeks after (and before starting Ipi) they went to 1.3. Like I said before, I am not recomending this, just giving my personal opinion and experience.
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- July 30, 2013 at 1:34 am
The method for making this extract was filed with the US Patent Office in 1998. You can read it at: http://www.google.com/patents/US6355474
They do not KNOW what compound in the extract is doing the job, but they think it is something called benzoquinone (abbreviated 2.6-DMBQ). It occurs naturally in wheat germ. However, as with so many natural remedies, the concentration in the plant is very low. The fermentation, clarification, and drying process concentrates the DMBQ so you can ingest enough of it to get an effect. The patent talks about how much of the extract to take.
If you are seriously interested in persuing this (from wheat germ or from some other source) I suggest you consult a good naturopathic doctor. They may be able to suggest other sources of DMBQ or they may have access to drying equipment that you can use to make your own.
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- July 30, 2013 at 1:34 am
The method for making this extract was filed with the US Patent Office in 1998. You can read it at: http://www.google.com/patents/US6355474
They do not KNOW what compound in the extract is doing the job, but they think it is something called benzoquinone (abbreviated 2.6-DMBQ). It occurs naturally in wheat germ. However, as with so many natural remedies, the concentration in the plant is very low. The fermentation, clarification, and drying process concentrates the DMBQ so you can ingest enough of it to get an effect. The patent talks about how much of the extract to take.
If you are seriously interested in persuing this (from wheat germ or from some other source) I suggest you consult a good naturopathic doctor. They may be able to suggest other sources of DMBQ or they may have access to drying equipment that you can use to make your own.
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- July 30, 2013 at 2:06 am
Thanks Pat.
It is a shame that the scientific community hasn't put more effort into investigating herbal and naturaopathic treatments like this. Especially when early trials like this one shows promise. I guess it boils down to what makes money and herbal and naturopathic treatments apparently is not where the money is.
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- July 30, 2013 at 2:06 am
Thanks Pat.
It is a shame that the scientific community hasn't put more effort into investigating herbal and naturaopathic treatments like this. Especially when early trials like this one shows promise. I guess it boils down to what makes money and herbal and naturopathic treatments apparently is not where the money is.
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- July 30, 2013 at 3:14 am
Yes, I did. Oncologists are professionally obliged not to recomend "treatments" not endorsed by the mainstream medicine, which Avemar is definitely not, which is the reply I got.
I do believe this played a role in boosting my lymphocytes. My ALC was 0.7 for months prior to taking Avemar. Two weeks after (and before starting Ipi) they went to 1.3. Like I said before, I am not recomending this, just giving my personal opinion and experience.
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- July 30, 2013 at 3:14 am
Yes, I did. Oncologists are professionally obliged not to recomend "treatments" not endorsed by the mainstream medicine, which Avemar is definitely not, which is the reply I got.
I do believe this played a role in boosting my lymphocytes. My ALC was 0.7 for months prior to taking Avemar. Two weeks after (and before starting Ipi) they went to 1.3. Like I said before, I am not recomending this, just giving my personal opinion and experience.
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