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- September 29, 2011 at 3:49 pm
Hi,
I am a newbie & trying to understand the RESPONSE difference between IPI & anti-pd1 or anti-pdl-1
If a patient does NOT respond to IPI, why would the patient possiblly respond to anti-pd1 or anti-pdl-1.
I do not understand that if you take the breaks of your immune system with IPI, how is different than taking the breaks off with anti-pd1 or pdl-1?
Why could a patient who was not a responder with IPI, possible get a response by taking anti-pd1/pdl-1 after taking IPI.
Hi,
I am a newbie & trying to understand the RESPONSE difference between IPI & anti-pd1 or anti-pdl-1
If a patient does NOT respond to IPI, why would the patient possiblly respond to anti-pd1 or anti-pdl-1.
I do not understand that if you take the breaks of your immune system with IPI, how is different than taking the breaks off with anti-pd1 or pdl-1?
Why could a patient who was not a responder with IPI, possible get a response by taking anti-pd1/pdl-1 after taking IPI.
Is taking anti-pd1 drug or taking anti-pdl-1 make a difference? Can you get a better response by picking one over than other?
Thanks for all you great info.
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- September 29, 2011 at 4:49 pm
See my post at Ipi Update empen on 9/28.2011
Great Question!!!!!
Ipi works on the surface molecule CTLA-4 which are upregulated during T-cell activation. Most T-cells including the Tregs will have this receptor on their surface. When this receptor is engaged, the immune response is down-regulated.. terminated. So by blocking this receptor with Yervoy (Ipi), the checkpoint remains active.
Anti- PD-1 blocks another receptor called PD-1. It also is up-regulated on the T-cell. Now on the tumor cells, there are receptors called PD-L1. This PD-L1 receptor can bind/engage with PD-1 on the T-cells. When this happens, the immune rsponse is down-regulated and no response is generated.
There is data coming that anti-PD-1 blocks global inhibtion of the T-cells and shows a better response. How much better, still waiting on the data.
warm regards,
Jimmy B
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- September 29, 2011 at 4:49 pm
See my post at Ipi Update empen on 9/28.2011
Great Question!!!!!
Ipi works on the surface molecule CTLA-4 which are upregulated during T-cell activation. Most T-cells including the Tregs will have this receptor on their surface. When this receptor is engaged, the immune response is down-regulated.. terminated. So by blocking this receptor with Yervoy (Ipi), the checkpoint remains active.
Anti- PD-1 blocks another receptor called PD-1. It also is up-regulated on the T-cell. Now on the tumor cells, there are receptors called PD-L1. This PD-L1 receptor can bind/engage with PD-1 on the T-cells. When this happens, the immune rsponse is down-regulated and no response is generated.
There is data coming that anti-PD-1 blocks global inhibtion of the T-cells and shows a better response. How much better, still waiting on the data.
warm regards,
Jimmy B
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- September 29, 2011 at 5:53 pm
PD-L1 expressed on tumor cells protects them from direct immune attack by the specific (CTL) Cytotoxic T lymphocytes at the effector level at least in vitro, and enhances the tumorigenicity in vivo.
Involvement of PD-L1 on tumor cells in the escape from host immune system and tumor immunotherapy by PD-L1 blockade
PD-L1 negatively regulates CD4+CD25+Foxp3+ Tregs by limiting STAT-5 phosphorylation. The STAT-5 signaling drives the Th2 and Treg phonotype.
So what is left is the Th1 and the Th17 phenotype.

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- September 29, 2011 at 5:53 pm
PD-L1 expressed on tumor cells protects them from direct immune attack by the specific (CTL) Cytotoxic T lymphocytes at the effector level at least in vitro, and enhances the tumorigenicity in vivo.
Involvement of PD-L1 on tumor cells in the escape from host immune system and tumor immunotherapy by PD-L1 blockade
PD-L1 negatively regulates CD4+CD25+Foxp3+ Tregs by limiting STAT-5 phosphorylation. The STAT-5 signaling drives the Th2 and Treg phonotype.
So what is left is the Th1 and the Th17 phenotype.

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- September 29, 2011 at 6:52 pm
Jimmy,
When taking pd1 or pdl-1, will the lymphocite counts (killer t cells) go up like with IPI?
Thanks
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- September 29, 2011 at 7:44 pm
Yes. higher ALC indicates Cell expansion of all the your T-cells ,
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- September 29, 2011 at 7:44 pm
Yes. higher ALC indicates Cell expansion of all the your T-cells ,
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- September 30, 2011 at 11:55 pm
Love your posts, Jimmy.
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- September 30, 2011 at 11:55 pm
Love your posts, Jimmy.
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