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Scared, confused, and looking for all kinds of help…

Forums Cutaneous Melanoma Community Scared, confused, and looking for all kinds of help…

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    Dynasysman
    Participant

      Last November, a lump on my neck turned out to be a melanoma of unknown primary.  Left posterior neck lymphadenectomy removed another 36 nodes, all clear.  Subsequent tests revealed one possibly problematic spot in the same sector (left posterior neck), but it appeared not to be growing.

      After six months of tests (MRIs, PET=CTs, and contrast CATs) revealing that the site was suspicious but not growing, my ONC suggested an ultrasound biopsy.  Did the test today.  Results were truly scary:

      Last November, a lump on my neck turned out to be a melanoma of unknown primary.  Left posterior neck lymphadenectomy removed another 36 nodes, all clear.  Subsequent tests revealed one possibly problematic spot in the same sector (left posterior neck), but it appeared not to be growing.

      After six months of tests (MRIs, PET=CTs, and contrast CATs) revealing that the site was suspicious but not growing, my ONC suggested an ultrasound biopsy.  Did the test today.  Results were truly scary:

      1.   Quick stain revealed that the site tested positive for melanoma.

      2.  Ultrasound suggested that the hot spot itself was a nodule outside the main area of the lymph node — either having expanded from inside the lymph node or grown entirely in the sternocleidomastoid muscle.  In either case, I assume we are now talking Stage 4.

      This is a tough, tough day.

      I am seeing my ONC surgeon tomorrow to schedule a full tumor biopsy sometime next week.  I assume this will provide a B-RAF status, which had not previously been tested.  I already have a meeting scheduled with my ONC for July 29, and will push that earlier based on the results of the biopsy.

      One reaction is anger:  I am being treating at a Top Ten National Cancer Center by widely published people, all of whom are melanoma specialists.  Why didn't anyone think to do a simple ultrasound before now — NINE MONTHS after the initial warning sign — instead of all the fancy, expensive but ultimately worthless tests they ran?

      A second reaction is stark, raving fear — fear of telling people (I run a decent sized, high profile business and am involved in a raft of community activities), fear of what comes next in treatment, fear that despite high energy and positive attitude, I might not prevail over this disease. (That list was not in the order or importance).

      Those of you who do tons of reading on this disease:  what questions should I be asking that I might not think of?  I am fairly solid on medicines, less so on diagnostics (obviously!) and the various forms of surgery, radiation, disease management, etc.  Is there anything I should be reading tonight and over the next few days to come up to speed quickly?

      Those of you who have survived for a long time as Stage 4 — what helped you?  What changes did you make in life and/or outlook (if any)?  Did you adopt yoga, massage, any successful forms of relaxation?  How much control did you take over your therapy and choices?  

      Those of you who have owned businesses and been prominent in your communities — what did you learn about the process of telling people?  How much did you divulge, and to whom?  What worked for you?  And how much of that can serve as a general lesson, instead of simply a statement about how you roll?

      All of you — what else should I be asking?

      I have always met challenges, and believe that I am as well equipped to meet this one as anyone else (of course, a very aggressive tumor may have a mind of it own).  I've scanned this community for the last nine months, occasionally making contributions but mostly marveling at your power, warmth, and cohesion.  Thanks for helping me now.

       

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        Teodora
        Guest

          I am really sorry you had to join us.Please know that this is a wonderful  community where  you will find  a lots of support and encouragement throughout this journey.

          I understand that you are looking feverishly for answers and that's  a quite  normal reaction.But I promise you that  it gets easier with the time as I came to find out;yes, I was in your shoes and trying to get all the answers on my own, but please do not apply everything you read on the Internet to your case-we are all inividuals and melanoma is such an individual disease.As to staging yourself even doctors  sometimes get it wrong-I have very rare mucosal melanoma and they are still confused about how to stage me-as mucosal is a melanoma in its own league. I was given not long to live-hey, I have my 1 year anniversary  this July 12th!!!, still alive and pretty much kicking.

          I am not really sure why they never biopsied your suspicious spot;10 months after having my primary removed via 2 surgeries  and all subsequtive  scans clear, I had some suspicious cells showing via pap smear  and it came back positive after biopsy/the doctor was not even melanoma specialist but very proactive-thank you, D-r Larie Small from Maine Medical, you saved my life once again/.Currently almost completing radiation as a precauton measure.The safest  way to go  with melanoma is the  old-fashioned way-find it/ as early as possible/, cut it out.

          I am puzzled as to why they never investigated the suspicious activity, moreover melanoma specialists.

          Anyway there  are many wonderful people here-I call them my fellow melanoma warriors- that will come to you as they did for me with compassion and good advices.There are many people here that live very productive lives with stage 4 for years.Melanoma sounds scary because up untill recently it used to mean a certain death sentence, but not so much anymore;a progress is being made  daliy by a lots wonderful people out there , scientists and doctors who work tirelessly to find a way to effectively controll thit unpredictable disease.Especially lately there has been  an explosion in melanoma research and new promising drugs have been approved just recently /yervoy,vemurafenib/to combat the beast.

          Sending your ways good wishes and positive thoughts,

          Teodora

          stage 3

           

           

           

          Teodora
          Guest

            I am really sorry you had to join us.Please know that this is a wonderful  community where  you will find  a lots of support and encouragement throughout this journey.

            I understand that you are looking feverishly for answers and that's  a quite  normal reaction.But I promise you that  it gets easier with the time as I came to find out;yes, I was in your shoes and trying to get all the answers on my own, but please do not apply everything you read on the Internet to your case-we are all inividuals and melanoma is such an individual disease.As to staging yourself even doctors  sometimes get it wrong-I have very rare mucosal melanoma and they are still confused about how to stage me-as mucosal is a melanoma in its own league. I was given not long to live-hey, I have my 1 year anniversary  this July 12th!!!, still alive and pretty much kicking.

            I am not really sure why they never biopsied your suspicious spot;10 months after having my primary removed via 2 surgeries  and all subsequtive  scans clear, I had some suspicious cells showing via pap smear  and it came back positive after biopsy/the doctor was not even melanoma specialist but very proactive-thank you, D-r Larie Small from Maine Medical, you saved my life once again/.Currently almost completing radiation as a precauton measure.The safest  way to go  with melanoma is the  old-fashioned way-find it/ as early as possible/, cut it out.

            I am puzzled as to why they never investigated the suspicious activity, moreover melanoma specialists.

            Anyway there  are many wonderful people here-I call them my fellow melanoma warriors- that will come to you as they did for me with compassion and good advices.There are many people here that live very productive lives with stage 4 for years.Melanoma sounds scary because up untill recently it used to mean a certain death sentence, but not so much anymore;a progress is being made  daliy by a lots wonderful people out there , scientists and doctors who work tirelessly to find a way to effectively controll thit unpredictable disease.Especially lately there has been  an explosion in melanoma research and new promising drugs have been approved just recently /yervoy,vemurafenib/to combat the beast.

            Sending your ways good wishes and positive thoughts,

            Teodora

            stage 3

             

             

             

            lhaley
            Participant

              Take a deep breath.  Fear can paralyze you. 

              There is a reason they use the term NED.  No evidence of disease. Things can be there and be small but they just don't show on the scans.  An ultrasound can give information but it is the biopsy that ultimately gives the information.  I had a spot that was showing behind the clavicle for over a year. It never changed and the SUV remained low. Finally on a scan it lit up bright. The biopsy proved to be melanoma. 

              There is often suspicious things that show up on scans. If they go on a hunt everytime unfortunatelly we would be in surgery all of the time!  My Doctors have been watching lung nodules now for 7 months. They have remained stable.

              Just this past week I felt a lump. It didn't show on yesterdays scans. My onc arranged for an FNA yesterday. Don't know the results yet but he told me that even if it comes back clear he feels because of the location that it needs to be removed – very close to surgery site from 4 weeks ago.  If the results from the FNA are positive I'm going systemic. This is after 5 years of watch and wait and many recurrances. I've put this off as long as I felt was safe.

              If this is removed for you, and nothing else shows up, and if you are then stage IV you will be NED. That means there are little options. One thing is to ask for your hla factor to be tested – that's a blood test. There is at least 1 trial out there for people who are stage IV with HLA 0201 positive.   There is also another trial that my Doctor discussed with me yesterday. It's ippi at a different dose vs interfuron. Who knows what arm you would get.  I find it interesting that interfuron has never been recommended for stage IV but now they are using it in a trial…..

              You might want to consider leaving this in if you want to do something systemic.  I know for me it took a long time to make this decision. We are each different.

              Changes I made: At first I continued working and did a year in a trial of GMCSF. Was later disclosed and I did get the drug, results of the trial showed that it did not make significant difference in survival. When it came back to the bladder I decided to get rid of some stress in my life and never went back to work the day after diagnosis. That was a difficult decision and is right for some and not for others. I had been a teacher for 34 years at that point so that does make a difference.  I stay busy!  I have gone through periods of times where I have  changed my diet but ultimately I slip back to my old ways.  I do live for the moment and try to laugh as much as possible. During this journey we have moved to be closer to a grandchild and she has helped with the laughter.  What is interesting is since the move I've had many issues flare up. My onc who has now known me for several years has told us NO MORE MOVES! He comes out and says that this stress didn't help.  (we are renovating our home)

              Find a support group. It helps if it is melanoma but it's not mandatory. If you go that way make sure it's a variety of cancers so the subject doesn't get bogged down onto one type of cancer.

              Journaling has also helped me. That might be why so many cancer patients end up with a blog. Putting your fears down on paper does help.

              Come into chat. If someone sees your name they will come in and join you.

              Linda

              5 year anniversary stage IV today.

                Dynasysman
                Participant

                  Never used chat before.  If I enter chat and I'm the only one there, do I wait or leave?  How long should I wait?

                  Dynasysman
                  Participant

                    Never used chat before.  If I enter chat and I'm the only one there, do I wait or leave?  How long should I wait?

                    lhaley
                    Participant

                      Sometimes you need to wait quite awhile. It's best to wait till evening. Many on this board are West coast.  Usually around 8 or 9 people show up.  If they see your name sitting there good chance someone will come in.  If you open up another browser and keep the sound on you will be able to do something else and hear when they come in.

                      lhaley
                      Participant

                        Sometimes you need to wait quite awhile. It's best to wait till evening. Many on this board are West coast.  Usually around 8 or 9 people show up.  If they see your name sitting there good chance someone will come in.  If you open up another browser and keep the sound on you will be able to do something else and hear when they come in.

                        lhaley
                        Participant

                          I just read your profile, should have done that before my first reply.  It said that what they were watching was 5mm.  Just wanted to comment that depending on location they often cannot remove something that small. It is just difficult to find.  5mm will usually not show up on a PET.  This all might be an explaination as to why they didn't look into it earlier.  Very frustrating.

                          The Dr you have transferred your care to has a wonderful reputation! 

                          Linda

                          lhaley
                          Participant

                            I just read your profile, should have done that before my first reply.  It said that what they were watching was 5mm.  Just wanted to comment that depending on location they often cannot remove something that small. It is just difficult to find.  5mm will usually not show up on a PET.  This all might be an explaination as to why they didn't look into it earlier.  Very frustrating.

                            The Dr you have transferred your care to has a wonderful reputation! 

                            Linda

                            Teodora
                            Guest

                              Whilst I agree with you, Linda that 5 mm is too small to be detected by regular scans,considering that there is  a prevoius melanoma history and "area of suspicious acivity", usually  these both  go hand in hand.They should have biopsied it immediately.

                              When my onc called me to say they found some suspicious cells , I asked straight away"is it cancer?", she said she doesn't know but she needs to investigate straight away what this is about.I am sure recurrence crossed her mind too.Well , it was-only 1-1.5mm, but still MM.

                              He has every reason to be angry-I would, especially missed by specialists.Early detection/prevention is the key: they should have known better.

                              Dynasysman
                              Participant
                                For what it’s worth, I’m done being angry — stress is the enemy. I believe I need to shake it off and focus on the fight ahead.
                                That said, I will NEVER, EVER take anything for granted or treat it as “too small” again.
                                Dynasysman
                                Participant
                                  For what it’s worth, I’m done being angry — stress is the enemy. I believe I need to shake it off and focus on the fight ahead.
                                  That said, I will NEVER, EVER take anything for granted or treat it as “too small” again.
                                  Teodora
                                  Guest

                                    Whilst I agree with you, Linda that 5 mm is too small to be detected by regular scans,considering that there is  a prevoius melanoma history and "area of suspicious acivity", usually  these both  go hand in hand.They should have biopsied it immediately.

                                    When my onc called me to say they found some suspicious cells , I asked straight away"is it cancer?", she said she doesn't know but she needs to investigate straight away what this is about.I am sure recurrence crossed her mind too.Well , it was-only 1-1.5mm, but still MM.

                                    He has every reason to be angry-I would, especially missed by specialists.Early detection/prevention is the key: they should have known better.

                                  lhaley
                                  Participant

                                    Take a deep breath.  Fear can paralyze you. 

                                    There is a reason they use the term NED.  No evidence of disease. Things can be there and be small but they just don't show on the scans.  An ultrasound can give information but it is the biopsy that ultimately gives the information.  I had a spot that was showing behind the clavicle for over a year. It never changed and the SUV remained low. Finally on a scan it lit up bright. The biopsy proved to be melanoma. 

                                    There is often suspicious things that show up on scans. If they go on a hunt everytime unfortunatelly we would be in surgery all of the time!  My Doctors have been watching lung nodules now for 7 months. They have remained stable.

                                    Just this past week I felt a lump. It didn't show on yesterdays scans. My onc arranged for an FNA yesterday. Don't know the results yet but he told me that even if it comes back clear he feels because of the location that it needs to be removed – very close to surgery site from 4 weeks ago.  If the results from the FNA are positive I'm going systemic. This is after 5 years of watch and wait and many recurrances. I've put this off as long as I felt was safe.

                                    If this is removed for you, and nothing else shows up, and if you are then stage IV you will be NED. That means there are little options. One thing is to ask for your hla factor to be tested – that's a blood test. There is at least 1 trial out there for people who are stage IV with HLA 0201 positive.   There is also another trial that my Doctor discussed with me yesterday. It's ippi at a different dose vs interfuron. Who knows what arm you would get.  I find it interesting that interfuron has never been recommended for stage IV but now they are using it in a trial…..

                                    You might want to consider leaving this in if you want to do something systemic.  I know for me it took a long time to make this decision. We are each different.

                                    Changes I made: At first I continued working and did a year in a trial of GMCSF. Was later disclosed and I did get the drug, results of the trial showed that it did not make significant difference in survival. When it came back to the bladder I decided to get rid of some stress in my life and never went back to work the day after diagnosis. That was a difficult decision and is right for some and not for others. I had been a teacher for 34 years at that point so that does make a difference.  I stay busy!  I have gone through periods of times where I have  changed my diet but ultimately I slip back to my old ways.  I do live for the moment and try to laugh as much as possible. During this journey we have moved to be closer to a grandchild and she has helped with the laughter.  What is interesting is since the move I've had many issues flare up. My onc who has now known me for several years has told us NO MORE MOVES! He comes out and says that this stress didn't help.  (we are renovating our home)

                                    Find a support group. It helps if it is melanoma but it's not mandatory. If you go that way make sure it's a variety of cancers so the subject doesn't get bogged down onto one type of cancer.

                                    Journaling has also helped me. That might be why so many cancer patients end up with a blog. Putting your fears down on paper does help.

                                    Come into chat. If someone sees your name they will come in and join you.

                                    Linda

                                    5 year anniversary stage IV today.

                                    shellebrownies
                                    Participant

                                      We are not long term survivors (yet), but I felt the need to respond to your post. My husband and I only found out he was Stage IV the end of April, so it was not so very long ago that we were where you are. 

                                      We also switched doctors and hospitals after having my husband's care mismanaged (my husband's Melanoma spread extremely quickly and his doctor was not proactive with his case at all). 

                                      Trust me when I say we have definitely had that terrified feeling you are experiencing. 

                                      So this is what I would say: DON'T go reading/believing all the statistics crap. Everyone's case is different and with all the new treatments coming out, the prognosis is better than ever before. DON'T let fear rule your decisions. DO your research. Learn as much as you can about the disease and treatments thereof. DO be your own advocate. DO ask every question that comes to mind…and DON'T let "I don't know" be the answer. Don't leave the office until you have gotten all the questions answered to your satisfaction. I would also highly recommend having someone else to go with you to appointments. Sometimes it's very difficult to remember everything you talked about and/or all the details of the treatment options. Either that, or take a recorder with you so you can review it later. 

                                      Early on Charlie (at least I think it was Charlie…) gave us some great advice: Doctors are there to manage your health, but it's your life. YOU are in the driver's seat. Drive the car yourself… or you WILL be driven. (and not always to a destination you want)

                                      Wishing you the very best of luck. 

                                      Michelle, wife of Don, Stage IV

                                      shellebrownies
                                      Participant

                                        We are not long term survivors (yet), but I felt the need to respond to your post. My husband and I only found out he was Stage IV the end of April, so it was not so very long ago that we were where you are. 

                                        We also switched doctors and hospitals after having my husband's care mismanaged (my husband's Melanoma spread extremely quickly and his doctor was not proactive with his case at all). 

                                        Trust me when I say we have definitely had that terrified feeling you are experiencing. 

                                        So this is what I would say: DON'T go reading/believing all the statistics crap. Everyone's case is different and with all the new treatments coming out, the prognosis is better than ever before. DON'T let fear rule your decisions. DO your research. Learn as much as you can about the disease and treatments thereof. DO be your own advocate. DO ask every question that comes to mind…and DON'T let "I don't know" be the answer. Don't leave the office until you have gotten all the questions answered to your satisfaction. I would also highly recommend having someone else to go with you to appointments. Sometimes it's very difficult to remember everything you talked about and/or all the details of the treatment options. Either that, or take a recorder with you so you can review it later. 

                                        Early on Charlie (at least I think it was Charlie…) gave us some great advice: Doctors are there to manage your health, but it's your life. YOU are in the driver's seat. Drive the car yourself… or you WILL be driven. (and not always to a destination you want)

                                        Wishing you the very best of luck. 

                                        Michelle, wife of Don, Stage IV

                                        Dynasysman
                                        Participant

                                          UPDATE:  Long talk with my ONC surgeon.  Best doctor I have ever dealt with (and I have interviewed doctors for a living for the past 20 years).  His name is Giorgios Karakousis at the Abramson Cancer Center at Penn.  Suspects today's positive result may be the result of microcellular cancer in the same basin where we took the lymph nodes, which would still be Stage 3.  Lots of testing left — probably a PET-CT and brain MRI next week, but not being in Stage 4 would feel a lot better.  Thanks all of you for your comments and hopes…it has been one heckuva day!

                                            shellebrownies
                                            Participant

                                              SO glad you got some good news. I wish you the very best with all your scans. I am very happy you have great confidence in your doctor. Will keep you in my thoughts and hope you stay stage 3!

                                              Michelle

                                              shellebrownies
                                              Participant

                                                SO glad you got some good news. I wish you the very best with all your scans. I am very happy you have great confidence in your doctor. Will keep you in my thoughts and hope you stay stage 3!

                                                Michelle

                                              Dynasysman
                                              Participant

                                                UPDATE:  Long talk with my ONC surgeon.  Best doctor I have ever dealt with (and I have interviewed doctors for a living for the past 20 years).  His name is Giorgios Karakousis at the Abramson Cancer Center at Penn.  Suspects today's positive result may be the result of microcellular cancer in the same basin where we took the lymph nodes, which would still be Stage 3.  Lots of testing left — probably a PET-CT and brain MRI next week, but not being in Stage 4 would feel a lot better.  Thanks all of you for your comments and hopes…it has been one heckuva day!

                                                Erinmay22
                                                Participant

                                                  Sorry to hear that you are going thru this.  and that you had to wait so long to find out something like this.  I am being seen by doctors at Sloan and what I love about my oncologist is that he doesn't want to wait to get answers on things.  In Jan when my CT scan showed a dozen small nodules in my lungs his reaction was – I want you to see a thoracic surgeon immediately and get a biopsy.  Other oncologists would have had me wait 3 months and rescan to see if anything changed.

                                                  While the VAT's procedure wasn't fun… it did confirm melanoma in my lungs.  In April I was scanned again and the nodules were gone!  My doctors comment was – glad we did the biopsy otherwise I'd just think you had an infection.  This way we can monitor you more closely.

                                                  I think all of your reactions are normal – we've all gone thru them.  I'd be mad too!  We know how tricky and sometimes agressive this can be and this reminds us how forward and proactive we must be in our own care. 

                                                  I am with you on the fear part and how you tell those around you.  The week I found out I had melanoma I had resigned from my employer to take a new job in New Jersey.  I struggled with how do I tell them?  I had to tell them – I needed time off for surgery!  I have been with my new company 8 months now and very few people in the office know what I'm going thru – I struggle sometimes with if they should know since it has very much effected my job performance. 

                                                  Hang in there.  This is a great group of folks to help offer support and guidance (or at least even an 'ear' to listen). 

                                                  I am still pretty new to the stage 4 club – but I will say that my attitude towards things has changed.  I believe in remaining positive and upbeat.  It's hard to figure out who to tell about our challenges – but I also believe a strong support network is a must!  We will all take all the positive thoughts and prayers we can get! 

                                                  I would also think about if you are highly active in your community – how do you turn this in to a way to create awareness?

                                                    Dynasysman
                                                    Participant
                                                      I’ve been thinking about that. I have some business issues to resolve first so that I have more time and my clients are confident that even with me less engaged, they still will be in excellent hands. Once that’s done, we’ll see. I currently sponsor some global tree-planting and feeding the homeless projects, so I am sure I can comes up with something…do you have any particular suggestions?
                                                      Erinmay22
                                                      Participant
                                                        I think you are taking the right approach of making sure you are taken care of and your clients/customers are comfortable with what’s going on.

                                                        As for how to spin it for the better and create awareness i am still thinking about that :). Interesting about the tree planting – sounds like a perfect time to remind folks about sun safety while outside :). I am still pretty new with dealing with this melanoma madness (Oct 2010). But will let you know when I come up with some ideas :). Keep us posted on things!

                                                        Erinmay22
                                                        Participant
                                                          I think you are taking the right approach of making sure you are taken care of and your clients/customers are comfortable with what’s going on.

                                                          As for how to spin it for the better and create awareness i am still thinking about that :). Interesting about the tree planting – sounds like a perfect time to remind folks about sun safety while outside :). I am still pretty new with dealing with this melanoma madness (Oct 2010). But will let you know when I come up with some ideas :). Keep us posted on things!

                                                          Dynasysman
                                                          Participant
                                                            I’ve been thinking about that. I have some business issues to resolve first so that I have more time and my clients are confident that even with me less engaged, they still will be in excellent hands. Once that’s done, we’ll see. I currently sponsor some global tree-planting and feeding the homeless projects, so I am sure I can comes up with something…do you have any particular suggestions?
                                                          Erinmay22
                                                          Participant

                                                            Sorry to hear that you are going thru this.  and that you had to wait so long to find out something like this.  I am being seen by doctors at Sloan and what I love about my oncologist is that he doesn't want to wait to get answers on things.  In Jan when my CT scan showed a dozen small nodules in my lungs his reaction was – I want you to see a thoracic surgeon immediately and get a biopsy.  Other oncologists would have had me wait 3 months and rescan to see if anything changed.

                                                            While the VAT's procedure wasn't fun… it did confirm melanoma in my lungs.  In April I was scanned again and the nodules were gone!  My doctors comment was – glad we did the biopsy otherwise I'd just think you had an infection.  This way we can monitor you more closely.

                                                            I think all of your reactions are normal – we've all gone thru them.  I'd be mad too!  We know how tricky and sometimes agressive this can be and this reminds us how forward and proactive we must be in our own care. 

                                                            I am with you on the fear part and how you tell those around you.  The week I found out I had melanoma I had resigned from my employer to take a new job in New Jersey.  I struggled with how do I tell them?  I had to tell them – I needed time off for surgery!  I have been with my new company 8 months now and very few people in the office know what I'm going thru – I struggle sometimes with if they should know since it has very much effected my job performance. 

                                                            Hang in there.  This is a great group of folks to help offer support and guidance (or at least even an 'ear' to listen). 

                                                            I am still pretty new to the stage 4 club – but I will say that my attitude towards things has changed.  I believe in remaining positive and upbeat.  It's hard to figure out who to tell about our challenges – but I also believe a strong support network is a must!  We will all take all the positive thoughts and prayers we can get! 

                                                            I would also think about if you are highly active in your community – how do you turn this in to a way to create awareness?

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