DMSO and Turmeric/curcumin

If anybody is still reading this thread, I just looked at the study posted above and in it the curcumin was mixed with DMSO and injected into mice.

Here is the result: "Blood collected from the DMSO curcumin–injected mice was orange in color, reflecting the lysis [killing] of RBC [red blood cells]. This indicated toxicity of DMSO to circulating RBC."

Curcumin is a great thing, but if you want maximum absorption and bioactivity, look for "Meriva" or "Theracurmin" formulations. DMSO seems dubious at best.

 

so is it a waste to take the capsule supplements?  they are expensive

Meriva and Theracurmin are capsule supplements, extremely bioavailable, and they're not too expensive if you buy them from online retailers such as Vitacost and Swanson. The curcumin with piperine is good too. Probably not as bioavailable but cheaper, so it balances out.

I was mainly posting about the DMSO. Its use is unnecessary, and probably wouldn't work if applied topically. Also it appears like it may have toxic effects if ingested.

 

One more thing… I would not recommend using high quantities of curcumin (or any high-purity nutrient) for a 7-year-old. Not unless the cancer returned and the situation was dire.

That's because many anticancer substances work by suppressing growth hormone signaling, cell division, and so on. Processes that will continue to be important to your daughter's normal development for at least a decade. There is really no way of knowing what the effects would be.

As for how much is appropriate, try Googling the subject and getting advice from some respected sources.

However getting lots of phytonutrients from fruits, berries, vegetables, nuts, spices and so on is an excellent idea.

I have one daughter who loves all these food groups, and another who grew up insisting on Happy Meals and macaroni and cheese, and there wasn't a darn thing I could do about it, so good health to her and good luck to you. 🙂

 

One more thing… I would not recommend using high quantities of curcumin (or any high-purity nutrient) for a 7-year-old. Not unless the cancer returned and the situation was dire.

That's because many anticancer substances work by suppressing growth hormone signaling, cell division, and so on. Processes that will continue to be important to your daughter's normal development for at least a decade. There is really no way of knowing what the effects would be.

As for how much is appropriate, try Googling the subject and getting advice from some respected sources.

However getting lots of phytonutrients from fruits, berries, vegetables, nuts, spices and so on is an excellent idea.

I have one daughter who loves all these food groups, and another who grew up insisting on Happy Meals and macaroni and cheese, and there wasn't a darn thing I could do about it, so good health to her and good luck to you. 🙂

 

One more thing… I would not recommend using high quantities of curcumin (or any high-purity nutrient) for a 7-year-old. Not unless the cancer returned and the situation was dire.

That's because many anticancer substances work by suppressing growth hormone signaling, cell division, and so on. Processes that will continue to be important to your daughter's normal development for at least a decade. There is really no way of knowing what the effects would be.

As for how much is appropriate, try Googling the subject and getting advice from some respected sources.

However getting lots of phytonutrients from fruits, berries, vegetables, nuts, spices and so on is an excellent idea.

I have one daughter who loves all these food groups, and another who grew up insisting on Happy Meals and macaroni and cheese, and there wasn't a darn thing I could do about it, so good health to her and good luck to you. 🙂

 

Joel, it sounds like you know very little about DMSO. DMSO is quite the opposite of toxic, I injest it daily, and there are huge benefits in applying topically to penetrate the skin. Sounds like you are giving advice about something you know nothing about that can possibly help someone. I highly reccomend DMSO. 

Joel, it sounds like you know very little about DMSO. DMSO is quite the opposite of toxic, I injest it daily, and there are huge benefits in applying topically to penetrate the skin. Sounds like you are giving advice about something you know nothing about that can possibly help someone. I highly reccomend DMSO. 

Meriva and Theracurmin are capsule supplements, extremely bioavailable, and they're not too expensive if you buy them from online retailers such as Vitacost and Swanson. The curcumin with piperine is good too. Probably not as bioavailable but cheaper, so it balances out.

I was mainly posting about the DMSO. Its use is unnecessary, and probably wouldn't work if applied topically. Also it appears like it may have toxic effects if ingested.

 

Meriva and Theracurmin are capsule supplements, extremely bioavailable, and they're not too expensive if you buy them from online retailers such as Vitacost and Swanson. The curcumin with piperine is good too. Probably not as bioavailable but cheaper, so it balances out.

I was mainly posting about the DMSO. Its use is unnecessary, and probably wouldn't work if applied topically. Also it appears like it may have toxic effects if ingested.

 

so is it a waste to take the capsule supplements?  they are expensive

so is it a waste to take the capsule supplements?  they are expensive

If anybody is still reading this thread, I just looked at the study posted above and in it the curcumin was mixed with DMSO and injected into mice.

Here is the result: "Blood collected from the DMSO curcumin–injected mice was orange in color, reflecting the lysis [killing] of RBC [red blood cells]. This indicated toxicity of DMSO to circulating RBC."

Curcumin is a great thing, but if you want maximum absorption and bioactivity, look for "Meriva" or "Theracurmin" formulations. DMSO seems dubious at best.

 

If anybody is still reading this thread, I just looked at the study posted above and in it the curcumin was mixed with DMSO and injected into mice.

Here is the result: "Blood collected from the DMSO curcumin–injected mice was orange in color, reflecting the lysis [killing] of RBC [red blood cells]. This indicated toxicity of DMSO to circulating RBC."

Curcumin is a great thing, but if you want maximum absorption and bioactivity, look for "Meriva" or "Theracurmin" formulations. DMSO seems dubious at best.

 

I think all the comments about dmso are nonsense. People dont do quality research. There can be cleansing reactions from dmso, so starting with a low dose is advisable. Just because theres a cleansing reaction doesnt make it toxic. Dmso has been proven to be as safe as water. Curcumin with dmso makes sense to me. Also, there has been research on getting great results for melanoma with the combinatuon of dmso and vitamin c(potasium ascorbate). Please research this and i really hope your child gets better. (:

I think all the comments about dmso are nonsense. People dont do quality research. There can be cleansing reactions from dmso, so starting with a low dose is advisable. Just because theres a cleansing reaction doesnt make it toxic. Dmso has been proven to be as safe as water. Curcumin with dmso makes sense to me. Also, there has been research on getting great results for melanoma with the combinatuon of dmso and vitamin c(potasium ascorbate). Please research this and i really hope your child gets better. (:

I think all the comments about dmso are nonsense. People dont do quality research. There can be cleansing reactions from dmso, so starting with a low dose is advisable. Just because theres a cleansing reaction doesnt make it toxic. Dmso has been proven to be as safe as water. Curcumin with dmso makes sense to me. Also, there has been research on getting great results for melanoma with the combinatuon of dmso and vitamin c(potasium ascorbate). Please research this and i really hope your child gets better. (:

hopefully there is no more cancer inside her to worry about stopping in its tracks. . hopefully all of it was gone with the biopsy

hopefully there is no more cancer inside her to worry about stopping in its tracks. . hopefully all of it was gone with the biopsy

hopefully there is no more cancer inside her to worry about stopping in its tracks. . hopefully all of it was gone with the biopsy

Glad you're coming here and asking questions! I understand the impulse of wanting an edge, any edge, on this disease.

At stage 4 and not on any treatment (after surgery and Yervoy), I tried out a bunch of some concentrated suppements (ginger, broccoli sprouts, rieshi mushrooms, tumeric, etc.) The biggest short-term effect I felt was headaches from the broccoli sprouts! As I read more I wasn't thrilled about the blood thinning properties of many of them. Looking for an extra edge is almost inevitable I think.

Now, outside of melanoma treatments like Yervoy, I put my trust in exercise, sleep, and balanced diet. And good sun protection, which I imagine is hard on kids in schools.

Hope that helps. 

You are correct that all of these supplements can thin the blood, so if you’re worried ask your doctor to check your pt/ptt. It’s a blood test that tests how thin your blood is (they usually order it before surgery). I recently added a lot of supplements to my diet, including flax seed and flax seed oil, which are known to thin the blood, and my pt/ptt came back normal. I’m just making sure to spread them out throughout the day, so I’m not taking too many supplements at once. 

Glad you're coming here and asking questions! I understand the impulse of wanting an edge, any edge, on this disease.

At stage 4 and not on any treatment (after surgery and Yervoy), I tried out a bunch of some concentrated suppements (ginger, broccoli sprouts, rieshi mushrooms, tumeric, etc.) The biggest short-term effect I felt was headaches from the broccoli sprouts! As I read more I wasn't thrilled about the blood thinning properties of many of them. Looking for an extra edge is almost inevitable I think.

Now, outside of melanoma treatments like Yervoy, I put my trust in exercise, sleep, and balanced diet. And good sun protection, which I imagine is hard on kids in schools.

Hope that helps. 

Glad you're coming here and asking questions! I understand the impulse of wanting an edge, any edge, on this disease.

At stage 4 and not on any treatment (after surgery and Yervoy), I tried out a bunch of some concentrated suppements (ginger, broccoli sprouts, rieshi mushrooms, tumeric, etc.) The biggest short-term effect I felt was headaches from the broccoli sprouts! As I read more I wasn't thrilled about the blood thinning properties of many of them. Looking for an extra edge is almost inevitable I think.

Now, outside of melanoma treatments like Yervoy, I put my trust in exercise, sleep, and balanced diet. And good sun protection, which I imagine is hard on kids in schools.

Hope that helps. 

I was wondering how your daughter is doing now, and if you ended up trying the DMSO and turmeric mixture? I was thinking about making a DMSO, colloidal silver, and vitamin C mixture to put on the cancer on my skin. 

 

I hooe your daughter is healing well 🙂

In response to surgery being basically curative…. One could hope.  My husband had surgery to remove a mole at the age of 22 and was stage T1b as well.  Slnb was negative and routine chest X-rays and blood work were carried out for the next 6 years at md Anderson.  We thought he was "cured" by surgery and lived life.  At the age of 31 he has stage 4 melanoma to brain, bones, liver ect.  It doesn't matter what stage and how early you catch melanoma, there is always a chance for its return.  This mother is asking if any of us have used tummeric with success.  She's not going to poison her 7 year old.  There is no treatment except for surgery for stage t1b…. But nutrition can help build the immune system.  I asked about tummeric when my husband was first diagnosed, but the drs shrugged it off at md Anderson.  Their reason being we wouldn't be able to get the high quantity daily needed for it to be effective.  This post wasn't to scare you I just wanted you to know what we went through, and I would be doing the exact same thing as you if it were my daughter.  I have a 7 year old daughter as well and hope you get the results quickly!! Waiting is the worst!!

I'd say it does matter what stage and how early you catch melanoma.  That is the whole thing – early detection to reduce any chance of return.

 

 

 

Of course the earlier the better to detect melanoma for a chance it won't return, but I was trying to state that there is no safe stage for getting diagnosed with melanoma.  Any stage has a chance for recurrance even when you do detect it very early on.  I think that is where many of our friends and people in general take skin cancer lightly because they say "just get it cut off and you are fine."  

there is no guarantee of safety in most things I guess anyway; driving, boating, etc.

there is no guarantee of safety in most things I guess anyway; driving, boating, etc.

there is no guarantee of safety in most things I guess anyway; driving, boating, etc.

Of course the earlier the better to detect melanoma for a chance it won't return, but I was trying to state that there is no safe stage for getting diagnosed with melanoma.  Any stage has a chance for recurrance even when you do detect it very early on.  I think that is where many of our friends and people in general take skin cancer lightly because they say "just get it cut off and you are fine."  

Of course the earlier the better to detect melanoma for a chance it won't return, but I was trying to state that there is no safe stage for getting diagnosed with melanoma.  Any stage has a chance for recurrance even when you do detect it very early on.  I think that is where many of our friends and people in general take skin cancer lightly because they say "just get it cut off and you are fine."  

I'd say it does matter what stage and how early you catch melanoma.  That is the whole thing – early detection to reduce any chance of return.

 

 

 

I'd say it does matter what stage and how early you catch melanoma.  That is the whole thing – early detection to reduce any chance of return.

 

 

 

I have read studies that say high doses of curcumin for a short period of time or low doses for a long length of time work equally as well.  Researchers are attributing the frequent regular ingestion of Tumeric as a diet staple to the lower incidence of many types of cancer in India.  Just food for thought.  I think it has a more cumulative effect taken over time.  I haven't gotten any decent discussion at all from my doctors relating to diet. In general, I think when they don't take a person's diet into consideration, they are doing a disservice to the patient.  

I agree any and every time we have brought up nutrition with our Drs they always shrug it off.  Even the nutritionists at the hospital aren't much help with giving nutrition advice in the way of supplements ect,  they just want to make sure you are consuming any type of calories whether it be Dairy Queen or salads!  It's a hard road to go when you don't get any support from the MD,  it's usually up to the patient to take charge of that route.  

I agree any and every time we have brought up nutrition with our Drs they always shrug it off.  Even the nutritionists at the hospital aren't much help with giving nutrition advice in the way of supplements ect,  they just want to make sure you are consuming any type of calories whether it be Dairy Queen or salads!  It's a hard road to go when you don't get any support from the MD,  it's usually up to the patient to take charge of that route.  

I agree any and every time we have brought up nutrition with our Drs they always shrug it off.  Even the nutritionists at the hospital aren't much help with giving nutrition advice in the way of supplements ect,  they just want to make sure you are consuming any type of calories whether it be Dairy Queen or salads!  It's a hard road to go when you don't get any support from the MD,  it's usually up to the patient to take charge of that route.  

I have read studies that say high doses of curcumin for a short period of time or low doses for a long length of time work equally as well.  Researchers are attributing the frequent regular ingestion of Tumeric as a diet staple to the lower incidence of many types of cancer in India.  Just food for thought.  I think it has a more cumulative effect taken over time.  I haven't gotten any decent discussion at all from my doctors relating to diet. In general, I think when they don't take a person's diet into consideration, they are doing a disservice to the patient.  

I have read studies that say high doses of curcumin for a short period of time or low doses for a long length of time work equally as well.  Researchers are attributing the frequent regular ingestion of Tumeric as a diet staple to the lower incidence of many types of cancer in India.  Just food for thought.  I think it has a more cumulative effect taken over time.  I haven't gotten any decent discussion at all from my doctors relating to diet. In general, I think when they don't take a person's diet into consideration, they are doing a disservice to the patient.  

In response to surgery being basically curative…. One could hope.  My husband had surgery to remove a mole at the age of 22 and was stage T1b as well.  Slnb was negative and routine chest X-rays and blood work were carried out for the next 6 years at md Anderson.  We thought he was "cured" by surgery and lived life.  At the age of 31 he has stage 4 melanoma to brain, bones, liver ect.  It doesn't matter what stage and how early you catch melanoma, there is always a chance for its return.  This mother is asking if any of us have used tummeric with success.  She's not going to poison her 7 year old.  There is no treatment except for surgery for stage t1b…. But nutrition can help build the immune system.  I asked about tummeric when my husband was first diagnosed, but the drs shrugged it off at md Anderson.  Their reason being we wouldn't be able to get the high quantity daily needed for it to be effective.  This post wasn't to scare you I just wanted you to know what we went through, and I would be doing the exact same thing as you if it were my daughter.  I have a 7 year old daughter as well and hope you get the results quickly!! Waiting is the worst!!

In response to surgery being basically curative…. One could hope.  My husband had surgery to remove a mole at the age of 22 and was stage T1b as well.  Slnb was negative and routine chest X-rays and blood work were carried out for the next 6 years at md Anderson.  We thought he was "cured" by surgery and lived life.  At the age of 31 he has stage 4 melanoma to brain, bones, liver ect.  It doesn't matter what stage and how early you catch melanoma, there is always a chance for its return.  This mother is asking if any of us have used tummeric with success.  She's not going to poison her 7 year old.  There is no treatment except for surgery for stage t1b…. But nutrition can help build the immune system.  I asked about tummeric when my husband was first diagnosed, but the drs shrugged it off at md Anderson.  Their reason being we wouldn't be able to get the high quantity daily needed for it to be effective.  This post wasn't to scare you I just wanted you to know what we went through, and I would be doing the exact same thing as you if it were my daughter.  I have a 7 year old daughter as well and hope you get the results quickly!! Waiting is the worst!!

If there were something out there that would really guarantee her future, we'd all be on top of it too!  There has been a lot of research out there.  Curcurmin has been studied at MD Anderson by Dr. Agarwahl (spelling).  Before you do anything, I'd talk to him.  Most people in her position NEVER deal with melanoma again.  And to date, there is no way to predict who will have a recurrence and who won't.   It's nice to think you have a guarantee, but I don't think you'll ever get that assurance whether you try something like this or not.

If there were something out there that would really guarantee her future, we'd all be on top of it too!  There has been a lot of research out there.  Curcurmin has been studied at MD Anderson by Dr. Agarwahl (spelling).  Before you do anything, I'd talk to him.  Most people in her position NEVER deal with melanoma again.  And to date, there is no way to predict who will have a recurrence and who won't.   It's nice to think you have a guarantee, but I don't think you'll ever get that assurance whether you try something like this or not.

If there were something out there that would really guarantee her future, we'd all be on top of it too!  There has been a lot of research out there.  Curcurmin has been studied at MD Anderson by Dr. Agarwahl (spelling).  Before you do anything, I'd talk to him.  Most people in her position NEVER deal with melanoma again.  And to date, there is no way to predict who will have a recurrence and who won't.   It's nice to think you have a guarantee, but I don't think you'll ever get that assurance whether you try something like this or not.

Why not try a more conservative approach. I have read many of people using Golden Milk or slurry of Organic Tumeric.  They do give this to their children since it's just a spice. Also to help her immune system, many servings of ORGANIC vegetables and a couple of fruits per day.  There are a lot of phytonutrients in vegetables that could assist her immune system to beat the cancer.  Tomatoes have lycopene that has been shown in some studies to inhibit the spread of cancers.  Broccoli, which has a chemical called Sulferane in it that is currently being studied at places like UOf M for its inhibitory properties against melanoma. Kale which is full of phytonutrients and one of the best vegetables around for health and building a strong immune system.  Lemon zest is being studied for its inhibitory actions against cancer.   This also helps to keep her body in an alkaline state as opposed to an acidic state which is better for your immune system.  I put all those raw veggies with a piece of fruit or berries in a blender and drink it.   YouTube golden milk and Gershon diet. Gives a lot f great info though with gears hong, I would never give a child a coffee enema.  But the diet is great if modified a little. Organic foods are better because it keeps the pesticide load low in her body and the body can work to rid the cancer instead of the pesticides.  Hope this has helped a little.  So sorry that your child has to go through this.  

 

Why not try a more conservative approach. I have read many of people using Golden Milk or slurry of Organic Tumeric.  They do give this to their children since it's just a spice. Also to help her immune system, many servings of ORGANIC vegetables and a couple of fruits per day.  There are a lot of phytonutrients in vegetables that could assist her immune system to beat the cancer.  Tomatoes have lycopene that has been shown in some studies to inhibit the spread of cancers.  Broccoli, which has a chemical called Sulferane in it that is currently being studied at places like UOf M for its inhibitory properties against melanoma. Kale which is full of phytonutrients and one of the best vegetables around for health and building a strong immune system.  Lemon zest is being studied for its inhibitory actions against cancer.   This also helps to keep her body in an alkaline state as opposed to an acidic state which is better for your immune system.  I put all those raw veggies with a piece of fruit or berries in a blender and drink it.   YouTube golden milk and Gershon diet. Gives a lot f great info though with gears hong, I would never give a child a coffee enema.  But the diet is great if modified a little. Organic foods are better because it keeps the pesticide load low in her body and the body can work to rid the cancer instead of the pesticides.  Hope this has helped a little.  So sorry that your child has to go through this.  

 

Why not try a more conservative approach. I have read many of people using Golden Milk or slurry of Organic Tumeric.  They do give this to their children since it's just a spice. Also to help her immune system, many servings of ORGANIC vegetables and a couple of fruits per day.  There are a lot of phytonutrients in vegetables that could assist her immune system to beat the cancer.  Tomatoes have lycopene that has been shown in some studies to inhibit the spread of cancers.  Broccoli, which has a chemical called Sulferane in it that is currently being studied at places like UOf M for its inhibitory properties against melanoma. Kale which is full of phytonutrients and one of the best vegetables around for health and building a strong immune system.  Lemon zest is being studied for its inhibitory actions against cancer.   This also helps to keep her body in an alkaline state as opposed to an acidic state which is better for your immune system.  I put all those raw veggies with a piece of fruit or berries in a blender and drink it.   YouTube golden milk and Gershon diet. Gives a lot f great info though with gears hong, I would never give a child a coffee enema.  But the diet is great if modified a little. Organic foods are better because it keeps the pesticide load low in her body and the body can work to rid the cancer instead of the pesticides.  Hope this has helped a little.  So sorry that your child has to go through this.  

 

I started reading too when I got my diagnosis but the truth I found out was that the field of melanoma treatment and cancer in general is so huge that I would never get sufficient knowledge. What it helps me to do however, to take informed decisions together with my oncologist.

As a father myself I can very well understand this reflex of yours to try and help her on the one hand, on the other hand I feel you are underestimating the danger of doing what you are about to do. There are people with a qualification and certain experience that know what is the best treatment for your daughter. You need to trust them and rely on them, otherwise I suggest you get a second opinion.

As you can see from the thread you got lots of answers from people who have been suffereing from melanoma, some for a long time. None of these people approved of your idea and now you found out yourself that DMSO is not as harmless as you thought. It makes me sad how you attacked one of the forum members above just for giving his honest opinion on things. It seems to me you were expecting everybody to say "Yes, go for it!" and now you are disappointed nobody did it! Why bother post your question if you have answered it already for yourself and decided what to do?

I started reading too when I got my diagnosis but the truth I found out was that the field of melanoma treatment and cancer in general is so huge that I would never get sufficient knowledge. What it helps me to do however, to take informed decisions together with my oncologist.

As a father myself I can very well understand this reflex of yours to try and help her on the one hand, on the other hand I feel you are underestimating the danger of doing what you are about to do. There are people with a qualification and certain experience that know what is the best treatment for your daughter. You need to trust them and rely on them, otherwise I suggest you get a second opinion.

As you can see from the thread you got lots of answers from people who have been suffereing from melanoma, some for a long time. None of these people approved of your idea and now you found out yourself that DMSO is not as harmless as you thought. It makes me sad how you attacked one of the forum members above just for giving his honest opinion on things. It seems to me you were expecting everybody to say "Yes, go for it!" and now you are disappointed nobody did it! Why bother post your question if you have answered it already for yourself and decided what to do?

I started reading too when I got my diagnosis but the truth I found out was that the field of melanoma treatment and cancer in general is so huge that I would never get sufficient knowledge. What it helps me to do however, to take informed decisions together with my oncologist.

As a father myself I can very well understand this reflex of yours to try and help her on the one hand, on the other hand I feel you are underestimating the danger of doing what you are about to do. There are people with a qualification and certain experience that know what is the best treatment for your daughter. You need to trust them and rely on them, otherwise I suggest you get a second opinion.

As you can see from the thread you got lots of answers from people who have been suffereing from melanoma, some for a long time. None of these people approved of your idea and now you found out yourself that DMSO is not as harmless as you thought. It makes me sad how you attacked one of the forum members above just for giving his honest opinion on things. It seems to me you were expecting everybody to say "Yes, go for it!" and now you are disappointed nobody did it! Why bother post your question if you have answered it already for yourself and decided what to do?

So glad to hear that!   Outcomes are so much better when it doesn't get in the node.  Take a big sigh of relief and give her another hug.  

So glad to hear that!   Outcomes are so much better when it doesn't get in the node.  Take a big sigh of relief and give her another hug.  

So glad to hear that!   Outcomes are so much better when it doesn't get in the node.  Take a big sigh of relief and give her another hug.  

Great news!

Very happy for you and hoping the best for your daughter!

Great news!

Very happy for you and hoping the best for your daughter!

Great news!

Very happy for you and hoping the best for your daughter!