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- August 15, 2015 at 4:21 am
Hi
Just a shout out to fellow thin-mellers (well, I'm not thin, but I've had three thin mels).
This is a 2012 study from my home state, Queensland aka skin cancer capital of universe.
http://espace.library.uq.edu.au/view/UQ:275517
It shows 20-year survival for people with thin mels to be 96%.
Three things I like about this study:
– I like survival stat % beginning with '90'
– I like survival span of 20 (vs 5 or 10 years) – for me this translates into seeing my young kids into adulthood, not teenagerhood)
– I like that it's from 2012 and surely, if anything, things have gotten better since then with all the new therapies.
Hope some other MRFers get some solace from this (reasonably) good-news study.
Stars
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- August 15, 2015 at 6:10 pm
Since we're still working with a combined forum here, I'll note as a 4-percenter that you should remain vigilant over the rest of your life. I had a .5mm thin melanoma removed from my right shoulder in May 2003. I went to all of the onc appointments, etc. for 10 years and progressed to Stage 4. What was my first symptom? Left arm pain in January 2013. Did I put it together? No, I did not. I was told–and believed–that it was statistically impossible for me to progress. (Is my story typical? No, it is not.)
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- August 15, 2015 at 6:10 pm
Since we're still working with a combined forum here, I'll note as a 4-percenter that you should remain vigilant over the rest of your life. I had a .5mm thin melanoma removed from my right shoulder in May 2003. I went to all of the onc appointments, etc. for 10 years and progressed to Stage 4. What was my first symptom? Left arm pain in January 2013. Did I put it together? No, I did not. I was told–and believed–that it was statistically impossible for me to progress. (Is my story typical? No, it is not.)
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- August 15, 2015 at 9:21 pm
Absolutely, Mat. Lifelong vigilance is a given now, especially after three primaries. There is a very well-known advocate of melanoma reseach here in Oz with a similar story to yours, except her stage 1 progressed to stage 4 within months not years. She says the same as you – her story is not typical, but there is still the 4%.
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- August 15, 2015 at 9:21 pm
Absolutely, Mat. Lifelong vigilance is a given now, especially after three primaries. There is a very well-known advocate of melanoma reseach here in Oz with a similar story to yours, except her stage 1 progressed to stage 4 within months not years. She says the same as you – her story is not typical, but there is still the 4%.
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- August 15, 2015 at 9:21 pm
Absolutely, Mat. Lifelong vigilance is a given now, especially after three primaries. There is a very well-known advocate of melanoma reseach here in Oz with a similar story to yours, except her stage 1 progressed to stage 4 within months not years. She says the same as you – her story is not typical, but there is still the 4%.
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- August 15, 2015 at 10:26 pm
Mat, may I just ask why you were going to oncology appointments for 10 years with such a thin melanoma?
Here in the UK, you would never get to see an oncologist with a stage 1 melanoma less than 1mm and you would only get follow up with a dermatologist for a year before then being discharged if stage 1a or three years if 1b. These are the national guidelines.
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- August 15, 2015 at 10:26 pm
Mat, may I just ask why you were going to oncology appointments for 10 years with such a thin melanoma?
Here in the UK, you would never get to see an oncologist with a stage 1 melanoma less than 1mm and you would only get follow up with a dermatologist for a year before then being discharged if stage 1a or three years if 1b. These are the national guidelines.
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- August 15, 2015 at 11:39 pm
I had a good dermatologist and a good oncologist (who was also a melanoma specialist). I also had good health insurance and was vigilant, particularly in the early years. Unfortunately, I was also quite unlucky. So, the overall point is take comfort in the statistics, but pay close attention to your body. If I would've had my left arm x-rayed in January 2013, then folks would've been able to diagnose my bone tumor and Stage 4 melanoma much earlier (versus July 2013 with a heavy tumor burden). Presumably I would've had additional treatment options (versus moving right to BRAF-MEK). I'm not living in the past here; just letting you know that reasonably vigilant and intelligent people end-up in the 4 percent.
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- August 15, 2015 at 11:39 pm
I had a good dermatologist and a good oncologist (who was also a melanoma specialist). I also had good health insurance and was vigilant, particularly in the early years. Unfortunately, I was also quite unlucky. So, the overall point is take comfort in the statistics, but pay close attention to your body. If I would've had my left arm x-rayed in January 2013, then folks would've been able to diagnose my bone tumor and Stage 4 melanoma much earlier (versus July 2013 with a heavy tumor burden). Presumably I would've had additional treatment options (versus moving right to BRAF-MEK). I'm not living in the past here; just letting you know that reasonably vigilant and intelligent people end-up in the 4 percent.
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- August 16, 2015 at 10:11 pm
Not that interesting. I had a wide excision and sentinel lymphoma node testing done within a week or two–all clear. I'm not going to respond to further posts on this thread (been there, done that). I've given you the information in an attempt to be helpful. Do what you want with it. Good luck.
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- August 16, 2015 at 10:11 pm
Not that interesting. I had a wide excision and sentinel lymphoma node testing done within a week or two–all clear. I'm not going to respond to further posts on this thread (been there, done that). I've given you the information in an attempt to be helpful. Do what you want with it. Good luck.
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- August 16, 2015 at 10:11 pm
Not that interesting. I had a wide excision and sentinel lymphoma node testing done within a week or two–all clear. I'm not going to respond to further posts on this thread (been there, done that). I've given you the information in an attempt to be helpful. Do what you want with it. Good luck.
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- August 20, 2015 at 12:39 pm
Mat- in terms of melanoma pathology mine is similar to yours.6 mm/ 2 mitosis excised from my back 6 months ago. My question for u is about your progression. So u were perfectly fine for 10 years and then it suddenly returned? Did u even think about Mel after your initial diagnosis? As the years went by fic u assume it was gone? I can't imagine what u are going through at this time but my thought are with u. They say when Mel recurs after a long time u have a great chance of beating it and I'm sure u will! Godspeed my friend- Mark
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- August 20, 2015 at 12:39 pm
Mat- in terms of melanoma pathology mine is similar to yours.6 mm/ 2 mitosis excised from my back 6 months ago. My question for u is about your progression. So u were perfectly fine for 10 years and then it suddenly returned? Did u even think about Mel after your initial diagnosis? As the years went by fic u assume it was gone? I can't imagine what u are going through at this time but my thought are with u. They say when Mel recurs after a long time u have a great chance of beating it and I'm sure u will! Godspeed my friend- Mark
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- August 20, 2015 at 12:39 pm
Mat- in terms of melanoma pathology mine is similar to yours.6 mm/ 2 mitosis excised from my back 6 months ago. My question for u is about your progression. So u were perfectly fine for 10 years and then it suddenly returned? Did u even think about Mel after your initial diagnosis? As the years went by fic u assume it was gone? I can't imagine what u are going through at this time but my thought are with u. They say when Mel recurs after a long time u have a great chance of beating it and I'm sure u will! Godspeed my friend- Mark
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- August 15, 2015 at 11:39 pm
I had a good dermatologist and a good oncologist (who was also a melanoma specialist). I also had good health insurance and was vigilant, particularly in the early years. Unfortunately, I was also quite unlucky. So, the overall point is take comfort in the statistics, but pay close attention to your body. If I would've had my left arm x-rayed in January 2013, then folks would've been able to diagnose my bone tumor and Stage 4 melanoma much earlier (versus July 2013 with a heavy tumor burden). Presumably I would've had additional treatment options (versus moving right to BRAF-MEK). I'm not living in the past here; just letting you know that reasonably vigilant and intelligent people end-up in the 4 percent.
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- August 15, 2015 at 10:26 pm
Mat, may I just ask why you were going to oncology appointments for 10 years with such a thin melanoma?
Here in the UK, you would never get to see an oncologist with a stage 1 melanoma less than 1mm and you would only get follow up with a dermatologist for a year before then being discharged if stage 1a or three years if 1b. These are the national guidelines.
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- August 15, 2015 at 6:10 pm
Since we're still working with a combined forum here, I'll note as a 4-percenter that you should remain vigilant over the rest of your life. I had a .5mm thin melanoma removed from my right shoulder in May 2003. I went to all of the onc appointments, etc. for 10 years and progressed to Stage 4. What was my first symptom? Left arm pain in January 2013. Did I put it together? No, I did not. I was told–and believed–that it was statistically impossible for me to progress. (Is my story typical? No, it is not.)
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- August 17, 2015 at 10:41 am
Like Mat, I am a 4%'er. In 2003 my original lesion measured 0.6mm. On sentinel node biopsy I had a positive node. My biopsy was read by 3 different local folks and Dr. Mimms from Harvard. The consensus was clear. This is not to frighten anyone. But, anon, who thinks our biopsies were "read wrong"….think again. It may be best not to ask questions you don't want to know the answer to. For those of you who do want an answer as to what the data shows….here is a post addressing 2013 and 2014 research on that very topic: http://chaoticallypreciselifeloveandmelanoma.blogspot.com/2014/04/with-melanoma-you-can-never-be-too-rich.html
Additionally, while the absolute benefit is not entirely clear and the topic controversial among patients and researchers alike…many consider complete lymphadenectomy of the nodal basin critical to improved outcomes. So…yes, insurance covered mine…TWICE.
On the flip side…and more germain to the thread here…..while my history and progression to Stage IV is what it is….I'm still here…12 plus years since my original diagnosis. Wishing you all my best. Celeste
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- August 17, 2015 at 10:41 am
Like Mat, I am a 4%'er. In 2003 my original lesion measured 0.6mm. On sentinel node biopsy I had a positive node. My biopsy was read by 3 different local folks and Dr. Mimms from Harvard. The consensus was clear. This is not to frighten anyone. But, anon, who thinks our biopsies were "read wrong"….think again. It may be best not to ask questions you don't want to know the answer to. For those of you who do want an answer as to what the data shows….here is a post addressing 2013 and 2014 research on that very topic: http://chaoticallypreciselifeloveandmelanoma.blogspot.com/2014/04/with-melanoma-you-can-never-be-too-rich.html
Additionally, while the absolute benefit is not entirely clear and the topic controversial among patients and researchers alike…many consider complete lymphadenectomy of the nodal basin critical to improved outcomes. So…yes, insurance covered mine…TWICE.
On the flip side…and more germain to the thread here…..while my history and progression to Stage IV is what it is….I'm still here…12 plus years since my original diagnosis. Wishing you all my best. Celeste
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- August 17, 2015 at 10:41 am
Like Mat, I am a 4%'er. In 2003 my original lesion measured 0.6mm. On sentinel node biopsy I had a positive node. My biopsy was read by 3 different local folks and Dr. Mimms from Harvard. The consensus was clear. This is not to frighten anyone. But, anon, who thinks our biopsies were "read wrong"….think again. It may be best not to ask questions you don't want to know the answer to. For those of you who do want an answer as to what the data shows….here is a post addressing 2013 and 2014 research on that very topic: http://chaoticallypreciselifeloveandmelanoma.blogspot.com/2014/04/with-melanoma-you-can-never-be-too-rich.html
Additionally, while the absolute benefit is not entirely clear and the topic controversial among patients and researchers alike…many consider complete lymphadenectomy of the nodal basin critical to improved outcomes. So…yes, insurance covered mine…TWICE.
On the flip side…and more germain to the thread here…..while my history and progression to Stage IV is what it is….I'm still here…12 plus years since my original diagnosis. Wishing you all my best. Celeste
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- August 20, 2015 at 2:56 pm
The point, in this case is: If I hadn't had the sentinel lymph node biopsy because my 0.6mm primary lesion was so thin and therefore I "didn't need it" ….I would not have learned – for some amount of time (I fear it wouldn't have been that long)…that I was Stage III rather than Stage I, now would I?!!! However, getting the positive node out….I feel….gave me 3 years before I developed another thin "second primary"…(Upon sentinel node evaluation there…I had no positive nodes in that basin)…and another 3 years before becoming a Stage IV melanoma patient with brain and lung mets. My question, for those against sentinel node biopsy for thin lesions is this: How do you KNOW that you are only Stage 1 if you don't check your nodes? Truth be told, for me in 2003, it did not help me by way of treatment, since at that time the only treatment available for melanoma was interferon or IL2. However, today….the array of effective treatments for patients with metastasis to nodes is very different. Knowing that I had melanoma cells to a node, vs ONLY a thin melanoma lesion that had been removed, would certainly change the treatment I would pursue! Yet, even for me…back in the day….I am convinced that getting what melanoma cells I could OUT of my body, rather than letting them sit there and do their thing…gave me time. Cherry picking (ie surgical removal of mets) is still considered a very effective first step in melanoma treatment! Just my thoughts and circumstance. Wishing you all my best. C
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- August 20, 2015 at 2:56 pm
The point, in this case is: If I hadn't had the sentinel lymph node biopsy because my 0.6mm primary lesion was so thin and therefore I "didn't need it" ….I would not have learned – for some amount of time (I fear it wouldn't have been that long)…that I was Stage III rather than Stage I, now would I?!!! However, getting the positive node out….I feel….gave me 3 years before I developed another thin "second primary"…(Upon sentinel node evaluation there…I had no positive nodes in that basin)…and another 3 years before becoming a Stage IV melanoma patient with brain and lung mets. My question, for those against sentinel node biopsy for thin lesions is this: How do you KNOW that you are only Stage 1 if you don't check your nodes? Truth be told, for me in 2003, it did not help me by way of treatment, since at that time the only treatment available for melanoma was interferon or IL2. However, today….the array of effective treatments for patients with metastasis to nodes is very different. Knowing that I had melanoma cells to a node, vs ONLY a thin melanoma lesion that had been removed, would certainly change the treatment I would pursue! Yet, even for me…back in the day….I am convinced that getting what melanoma cells I could OUT of my body, rather than letting them sit there and do their thing…gave me time. Cherry picking (ie surgical removal of mets) is still considered a very effective first step in melanoma treatment! Just my thoughts and circumstance. Wishing you all my best. C
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- August 20, 2015 at 2:56 pm
The point, in this case is: If I hadn't had the sentinel lymph node biopsy because my 0.6mm primary lesion was so thin and therefore I "didn't need it" ….I would not have learned – for some amount of time (I fear it wouldn't have been that long)…that I was Stage III rather than Stage I, now would I?!!! However, getting the positive node out….I feel….gave me 3 years before I developed another thin "second primary"…(Upon sentinel node evaluation there…I had no positive nodes in that basin)…and another 3 years before becoming a Stage IV melanoma patient with brain and lung mets. My question, for those against sentinel node biopsy for thin lesions is this: How do you KNOW that you are only Stage 1 if you don't check your nodes? Truth be told, for me in 2003, it did not help me by way of treatment, since at that time the only treatment available for melanoma was interferon or IL2. However, today….the array of effective treatments for patients with metastasis to nodes is very different. Knowing that I had melanoma cells to a node, vs ONLY a thin melanoma lesion that had been removed, would certainly change the treatment I would pursue! Yet, even for me…back in the day….I am convinced that getting what melanoma cells I could OUT of my body, rather than letting them sit there and do their thing…gave me time. Cherry picking (ie surgical removal of mets) is still considered a very effective first step in melanoma treatment! Just my thoughts and circumstance. Wishing you all my best. C
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