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Advice for first immunotherapy drug to try

Forums General Melanoma Community Advice for first immunotherapy drug to try

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    mike.socal
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    Hello, I am a 52 year old male, my battle began in January 2015. After brain surgery in March 2015 and having a tumor resected, I was diagnosed with stage IV metastatic melanoma, the primary has never been found. It has been controllable with radiosurgery to my brain, I've had 3 treatments for a few spots each time. But very recently it has gotten aggressive, I have multiple spots on my brain, multiple tumors on my lungs and one in a nerve sheath. I have never been put on immunotherapy, and believe it is past due. It looks like they are going to approve it, but they want me to do whole brain radiation first. If the MRF community could please give me their experience on immunotherapy drugs and whole brain radiation. I am in the process of getting a second opinion from a melanoma specialist not part of my health provider. Thank you in advance for your help and support.

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      Bubbles
      Participant

      Hi Mike,

      Sorry for your struggle.  I will soon be 52 and have been dealing with melanoma for 13 years…over 6 of them Stage IV (with brain and lung mets)…and 6 of those NED….so there is hope!!

      1.  You MUST seek help from a melanoma specialist.  The landscape of care options has changed radically since 2010 and not all local oncs have kept up.

      2.  You need to know your BRAF status.  BRAF inhibitors (targeted therapy) FDA approved in 2011, work incredibly well and quickly if you are BRAF positve (even in the brain)…though for some their action is of limited duration because the tumor learns to work around the imposition.  However, some are maintained very well on these meds for years.  They should always be combined with a MEK inhibitor to decrease side effects, increase response and decrease tumor work around.

      3.  Immunotherapy include (and all are FDA approved for Stage IV mel patients):

      IL-2 with about a 10% response rate

      anti-PD1 – Nivolumab/Opdivo or Pembrolizumab/Keytruda with about a 40% response rate

      anti-CTLA4 – ipilimumab/Yervoy – about a 15% response rate

      Ipi/nivo combo – about a 50 plus percent response rate

      4.  Radiation…not that long ago…we didn't think that radiation worked very well in melanoma.  Then we realized that that was true when it was used alone…when it was used in combination with immunotherapy it was great and worked synergistically.  Here's a post covering a lot of data:  http://chaoticallypreciselifeloveandmelanoma.blogspot.com/2015/10/review-of-abscopal-responses-after.html

      We have learned that SRS (stereotactic radiation) can be used to effectively treat a large number of brain mets…effectively and without the deleterious effects of WBR.  WBR, despite the damage it causes to the brain, doesn't provide improved survival for those of us with brain mets.  Here is a recent post about treating brain mets with SRS and immunotherapy ASAP:  http://chaoticallypreciselifeloveandmelanoma.blogspot.com/2016/06/brain-mets-in-melanoma-dont-wait-to-add.html

      Hopefully that will help you start on your journey.  Please see a melanoma specialist and get a treatment plan in place that will get you on the path to health.  This forum houses an amazing group of surviviors and supporters.  Ask questions.  You will get answers.

      I wish you well.  Celeste

       

       

      Bubbles
      Participant

      Hi Mike,

      Sorry for your struggle.  I will soon be 52 and have been dealing with melanoma for 13 years…over 6 of them Stage IV (with brain and lung mets)…and 6 of those NED….so there is hope!!

      1.  You MUST seek help from a melanoma specialist.  The landscape of care options has changed radically since 2010 and not all local oncs have kept up.

      2.  You need to know your BRAF status.  BRAF inhibitors (targeted therapy) FDA approved in 2011, work incredibly well and quickly if you are BRAF positve (even in the brain)…though for some their action is of limited duration because the tumor learns to work around the imposition.  However, some are maintained very well on these meds for years.  They should always be combined with a MEK inhibitor to decrease side effects, increase response and decrease tumor work around.

      3.  Immunotherapy include (and all are FDA approved for Stage IV mel patients):

      IL-2 with about a 10% response rate

      anti-PD1 – Nivolumab/Opdivo or Pembrolizumab/Keytruda with about a 40% response rate

      anti-CTLA4 – ipilimumab/Yervoy – about a 15% response rate

      Ipi/nivo combo – about a 50 plus percent response rate

      4.  Radiation…not that long ago…we didn't think that radiation worked very well in melanoma.  Then we realized that that was true when it was used alone…when it was used in combination with immunotherapy it was great and worked synergistically.  Here's a post covering a lot of data:  http://chaoticallypreciselifeloveandmelanoma.blogspot.com/2015/10/review-of-abscopal-responses-after.html

      We have learned that SRS (stereotactic radiation) can be used to effectively treat a large number of brain mets…effectively and without the deleterious effects of WBR.  WBR, despite the damage it causes to the brain, doesn't provide improved survival for those of us with brain mets.  Here is a recent post about treating brain mets with SRS and immunotherapy ASAP:  http://chaoticallypreciselifeloveandmelanoma.blogspot.com/2016/06/brain-mets-in-melanoma-dont-wait-to-add.html

      Hopefully that will help you start on your journey.  Please see a melanoma specialist and get a treatment plan in place that will get you on the path to health.  This forum houses an amazing group of surviviors and supporters.  Ask questions.  You will get answers.

      I wish you well.  Celeste

       

       

      Bubbles
      Participant

      Hi Mike,

      Sorry for your struggle.  I will soon be 52 and have been dealing with melanoma for 13 years…over 6 of them Stage IV (with brain and lung mets)…and 6 of those NED….so there is hope!!

      1.  You MUST seek help from a melanoma specialist.  The landscape of care options has changed radically since 2010 and not all local oncs have kept up.

      2.  You need to know your BRAF status.  BRAF inhibitors (targeted therapy) FDA approved in 2011, work incredibly well and quickly if you are BRAF positve (even in the brain)…though for some their action is of limited duration because the tumor learns to work around the imposition.  However, some are maintained very well on these meds for years.  They should always be combined with a MEK inhibitor to decrease side effects, increase response and decrease tumor work around.

      3.  Immunotherapy include (and all are FDA approved for Stage IV mel patients):

      IL-2 with about a 10% response rate

      anti-PD1 – Nivolumab/Opdivo or Pembrolizumab/Keytruda with about a 40% response rate

      anti-CTLA4 – ipilimumab/Yervoy – about a 15% response rate

      Ipi/nivo combo – about a 50 plus percent response rate

      4.  Radiation…not that long ago…we didn't think that radiation worked very well in melanoma.  Then we realized that that was true when it was used alone…when it was used in combination with immunotherapy it was great and worked synergistically.  Here's a post covering a lot of data:  http://chaoticallypreciselifeloveandmelanoma.blogspot.com/2015/10/review-of-abscopal-responses-after.html

      We have learned that SRS (stereotactic radiation) can be used to effectively treat a large number of brain mets…effectively and without the deleterious effects of WBR.  WBR, despite the damage it causes to the brain, doesn't provide improved survival for those of us with brain mets.  Here is a recent post about treating brain mets with SRS and immunotherapy ASAP:  http://chaoticallypreciselifeloveandmelanoma.blogspot.com/2016/06/brain-mets-in-melanoma-dont-wait-to-add.html

      Hopefully that will help you start on your journey.  Please see a melanoma specialist and get a treatment plan in place that will get you on the path to health.  This forum houses an amazing group of surviviors and supporters.  Ask questions.  You will get answers.

      I wish you well.  Celeste

       

       

        Bubbles
        Participant

        Here is a post that covers a discussion between two melanoma specialists regarding picking the best therapy:  http://chaoticallypreciselifeloveandmelanoma.blogspot.com/2015/09/pick-your-poison-weber-and-agarwala.html

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        Bubbles
        Participant

        Here is a post that covers a discussion between two melanoma specialists regarding picking the best therapy:  http://chaoticallypreciselifeloveandmelanoma.blogspot.com/2015/09/pick-your-poison-weber-and-agarwala.html

        c

        Bubbles
        Participant

        Here is a post that covers a discussion between two melanoma specialists regarding picking the best therapy:  http://chaoticallypreciselifeloveandmelanoma.blogspot.com/2015/09/pick-your-poison-weber-and-agarwala.html

        c

        JuTMSY4
        Participant

        Uh – this is pretty much the right answer.  IMHO, there's a balance between Ipi/Nivo (or Pembro) and just Nivo/Pembro.  the combo can produce more side effects.  However, if you're clued in and have a good doc, you should be fine.  Just be vigilant.  

        If I were in your shoes, I would consider the triple cocktail of Ipi, Nivo/Pembro and radiation.  

        JuTMSY4
        Participant

        Uh – this is pretty much the right answer.  IMHO, there's a balance between Ipi/Nivo (or Pembro) and just Nivo/Pembro.  the combo can produce more side effects.  However, if you're clued in and have a good doc, you should be fine.  Just be vigilant.  

        If I were in your shoes, I would consider the triple cocktail of Ipi, Nivo/Pembro and radiation.  

        JuTMSY4
        Participant

        Uh – this is pretty much the right answer.  IMHO, there's a balance between Ipi/Nivo (or Pembro) and just Nivo/Pembro.  the combo can produce more side effects.  However, if you're clued in and have a good doc, you should be fine.  Just be vigilant.  

        If I were in your shoes, I would consider the triple cocktail of Ipi, Nivo/Pembro and radiation.  

        KimberlyVU
        Participant

        Great response.  

        KimberlyVU
        Participant

        Great response.  

        KimberlyVU
        Participant

        Great response.  

      Andrew1725
      Participant

      Making sure you have a true melanoma expert in your corner is the most important thing, I will agree with others. Based on what you've said, seems like now is the time to get aggressive with the immunotherapy and the ipi/nivo combination therapy is the best thing going. Probably what most melanoma docs would advise for a person in your situation.  I would seek a second opinion as well on whole brain radiation, as the trend is to use stereotactic radiosurgery (SRS), cyberknife, or whatever name they want to call the targeted radiation to brain mets to treat even multiple lesions in the brain, where whole brain radiation might have formerly been used. You're a pretty young guy and stand the chance to live a very long life with successful immunotherapy treatment, something to think about it when considering radiating the whole brain.

      Best of luck.

       

       

       

      Andrew1725
      Participant

      Making sure you have a true melanoma expert in your corner is the most important thing, I will agree with others. Based on what you've said, seems like now is the time to get aggressive with the immunotherapy and the ipi/nivo combination therapy is the best thing going. Probably what most melanoma docs would advise for a person in your situation.  I would seek a second opinion as well on whole brain radiation, as the trend is to use stereotactic radiosurgery (SRS), cyberknife, or whatever name they want to call the targeted radiation to brain mets to treat even multiple lesions in the brain, where whole brain radiation might have formerly been used. You're a pretty young guy and stand the chance to live a very long life with successful immunotherapy treatment, something to think about it when considering radiating the whole brain.

      Best of luck.

       

       

       

      Andrew1725
      Participant

      Making sure you have a true melanoma expert in your corner is the most important thing, I will agree with others. Based on what you've said, seems like now is the time to get aggressive with the immunotherapy and the ipi/nivo combination therapy is the best thing going. Probably what most melanoma docs would advise for a person in your situation.  I would seek a second opinion as well on whole brain radiation, as the trend is to use stereotactic radiosurgery (SRS), cyberknife, or whatever name they want to call the targeted radiation to brain mets to treat even multiple lesions in the brain, where whole brain radiation might have formerly been used. You're a pretty young guy and stand the chance to live a very long life with successful immunotherapy treatment, something to think about it when considering radiating the whole brain.

      Best of luck.

       

       

       

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