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- April 29, 2015 at 6:30 pm
Hello,
I just received a report from my father, who has a Malignant Melanoma – specifically polypoid nodular melanoma.
The doctor classified it as a PT4B with a 16/MM2 Mitotic rate. I have no problem finding info on this stuff, altough I'd appreciate any info/experience anyone has.I need some help in understanding the below underlined text I have found on the report that I beleive is very important, I'm just not sure how to interpret it.Entire report below:Gross Description:
AN ELLIPSE OF GRAY TAN SKIN MEASUREING 3.5 X 1.5 CM, AND UP TO 1.0CM IN DEPTH PROTRUDING ON THE SKINS SURFACE, THERE IS A POLYPOID SHAPED TUMOR MEASUING 4.0 X 3.8 X 1.5 CM. EXTENDING UP TO 0.4CM FROM THE CLOSEST SURGICAL MARGIN. THE SPECIMEN IS NOT ORIENTATED, MARGINS ARE MARKED WITH BLUE INK, CUT SECETION THROUGH THE TUMOR REVEALS BEIGE, SOFT, HOMOGENOUS TISSUE. SERIAL SECTIONS ARE SUBMITTED CODED I TO XII. SECTIONS FROM IV TO VIII ARE BISECTED.
FINAL DIAGNOSIS
A. MALIGANAT MELANOMA, SEE CASE REPORT BELOW
REMARKS
A. SHOULDER, LEFT UPPER BACK TUMOR, REMOVAL.
COMMENTS:
SURGICAL PAHOLOGY CANCER CASE SUMMARY MELANOMA OF THE SKIN: BIOSY, EXCISION, RE-EXCISOIN PROCEDURE: EXICSION SPECIMEN LATERLITY: LEFT TUMOR SITE: UPPER BACK
TUMOR SIZE GREATEST DIMENSION: 4 CM MACROSCOPIC SATELLITE NODULE: NOT IDENTIFIED
MACROSCOPIC PIGMENTATION: NO PRESENT HISTOLOGIC TYPE: NODULAR MELANOMA MAXIMUM TUMOR THICKNESS: 15MM ANATOMIC LEVEL: IV (MELANOMA INVADES RETICULAR DERMIS) ULCERATION: PRESENT MARGINS PERIPHERAL MARGINS: DISTANCE OF INVASIVE MELANOMA FROM CLOSEST PERIPHERAL MARGIN: 18MM DEEP MARGIN: UNINVOLVED BY INVANSIVE MELANOMA DISTANCE OF INVASIVE MELANOMA FROM MARGIN: 10MM MITOTIC RATE: 16/MM2
MICROSATELLITOSIS: NOT IDENTIFIED LYHMPH-VASCULAR INVASION: INDETERMINATE PERINEURAL INVASION: NOT IDENTIFIED TUMOR-INFILTRATING LYMPHOCYTES: NOT IDENTIFIED TUMOR REGRESSION: NOT IDENTIFIED GROTH PHASE: VERTICAL LYMPH NODES: N/A PATHOLIGIC STAGING (PTNM)PT4B,NX,MX
TUMOR CELLS SHOW IMMUNOREACTIVITY TO MELAN-A AND S-1010, WHILE ARE IMMUNEGATIVE TO AE1/AE3. THIS IMMUNOPROFILE SUPPORTS THE ABOVE DIAGNOIS
I think above underlined text is very important, however, I am not sure what "Not Identified" really means? Does this mean everything looked good? Also is the deep margin being uninvolved important? seems to be to me…
I appreciate anyone with experience or experts can tell me from this report. My father is in a situation right now where medical care is not really available, and getting these reports correctly interpreted to the family is near impossible. We are working on getting his lymph nodes looked at.
Thanks again
Matt
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- April 29, 2015 at 6:53 pm
Sorry, seems the underline did not show up…below is what was underlined.
MARGINS PERIPHERAL MARGINS: DISTANCE OF INVASIVE MELANOMA FROM CLOSEST PERIPHERAL MARGIN: 18MM DEEP MARGIN: UNINVOLVED BY INVANSIVE MELANOMA DISTANCE OF INVASIVE MELANOMA FROM MARGIN: 10MM MITOTIC RATE: 16/MM2
MICROSATELLITOSIS: NOT IDENTIFIED LYHMPH-VASCULAR INVASION: INDETERMINATE PERINEURAL INVASION: NOT IDENTIFIED TUMOR-INFILTRATING LYMPHOCYTES: NOT IDENTIFIED TUMOR REGRESSION: NOT IDENTIFIED
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- April 30, 2015 at 4:16 am
The report is a little hard to read because of the loss of carriage returns. But what I'm reading is a 4cm nodule with a high mitotic rate. 0 is ideal, 16 is considered high. This means the tumor cells are dividing rapidly. Because of the polypoid diagnosis, depth might be interpreted a little differently. That's a more unusual diagnosis. My comments come more from a background of reading reports of a tumor that is not above but in/under the skin.
For any stage 2 lesion, the excision should remove at least 2cm all around the lesion. It appears he has 1.8cm on the peripheral margin but only 1cm from the deep margin. It is good the deep margin is not involved, but again a larger clear margin might be desired. This may or may not be possible. They most likely removed all the tissue down to the muscle fasia layer. I know some docs who have removed muscle tissue as well to get additional margins – but as you haven't given us any additional info, that's about as much as I can comment on.
Ulceration – under a microscope, the epidermis has been compromised. This tends to carry a worse prognosis than lesions that are not ulcerated and typically raises staging by one level.
Microsatellitosis – no satellite lesions were identified. No obvious cells starting new colonies nearby.
Lymph-Vascular invasion – they can't make a definite diagnosis from the tissue samples they have. This is obvious tumor infiltration of a lymph or blood vessel. This isn't anything to do with if the lymph nodes are involved.
Perineural invasion – melanoma not seen involving nerves.
Tumor Infiltration Lymphocytes – not identified. This can be a good or bad factor depending upon what you read. Basically, the body really hasn't identified the lesion as bad and hasn't sent any armies to try and destroy it.
Tumor regression – not identified. This goes along with the above item – the body has not tried to do anything to kill the tumor. Regression can also be a mixed bag, but in this case – the body's immune system is doing nothing to try and eradicate this tumor, it isn't recognizing it as bad.
Typically, disecting a pathology report line by line isn't all that productive. The final diagnosis really is the most important part. All of the details listed just support the final diagnosis and stage.
Has he had some type of sentinel lymph node biopsy? Are they or have they checked the lymph nodes for melanoma involvement? Has he had any other type of scans?
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- April 30, 2015 at 2:03 pm
Hi, Thank you so much for taking the time to reply. We really appreciate it.
No to all of your last questoins, we are working as hard as we can to get him a sentinal lymph node biopsy and I think maybe some type of scan. I think he might have been scheduled for a surgery to remove the nodes, but I am not sure. I'd figure they would do some kind of testing first?
My dad says he can feel a small bump in his left armpit lymph nodes (same side the tumor was on), however he says some days he can feel it, some days he cant. It should also be mentioned he had an infection due to stiches where the tumor was removed so who knows. Doctors checked the rest of his lymph nodes (regular checkup style) and said they felt all normal with the exception of the previosly mentioned one.
My dad says he feels good, and all his bloodwork came back normal. We are pushing as hard as possible to get him taken care of.
Thanks again.
Matt
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- April 30, 2015 at 3:39 pm
Ideally, they would have done the sentinel lymph node biopsy PRIOR to the wide excision. The sentinel lymph node biopsy may not be of much use now because the large surgical removal may have changed the lymph node drainage patterns. If he has palpable lymph nodes on the same side, that is worrisome. It doesn't sound like he is being seen by a melanoma specialist. I strongly recommend that if at all possible. You can post and ask for suggestions in your area here. This is a very worrisome diagnosis and he really needs to see someone who specializes in melanoma for the best treatment options. A derm or general oncologist just aren't the right ones in this situation. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!
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- May 4, 2015 at 8:25 pm
We are working on getting him to a specialist as hard as we can. We are in the Miami, FL Area, and when my dad does receive treatment, its at Larkin Hospital. Given his situation, its not easy to get him basic treatment, much less a specialist. Thats why I am trying to as much of the research as I can right now…
The craziest part of all this is the tumor grew to that horrific size in 4 months from nothing!
I'm assuming since they already did the surgery and the sentinal node biopsy is likely not going to be accurate, what would the next step be? Removal of the closest lymph node (or nodes) and sent off for testing? Would a CT scan, XRAY, or another type of scan reveal any type of spread?
My dad says his left arm(same side as tumor) has been painful & tingling lately…. what could this potentially mean? reminder after the surgery he had a pretty bad infection on the removal site and required alot of antiboitics.
I am hoping every day that this remains stage II and hasn't spready anywhere else.
Thanks again for all your help & support.
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- May 5, 2015 at 2:46 am
Can you do a phone consult with Moffit? They are a well known melanoma center. Dr. Weber is well renowned and would likely do a consult.
Scans can't show microscopic disease. Tumors have to be a certain size to show up, hence the SNB where they inspect the tissue microscopically.
I think you want scans to see if there is evidence of this elsewhere. If scans are clean, then you decide about removing all the lymph nodes in the basin. If the scans show the disease is already systemic, no need for the node removal until all options for treatment have been discussed.
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- May 5, 2015 at 2:46 am
Can you do a phone consult with Moffit? They are a well known melanoma center. Dr. Weber is well renowned and would likely do a consult.
Scans can't show microscopic disease. Tumors have to be a certain size to show up, hence the SNB where they inspect the tissue microscopically.
I think you want scans to see if there is evidence of this elsewhere. If scans are clean, then you decide about removing all the lymph nodes in the basin. If the scans show the disease is already systemic, no need for the node removal until all options for treatment have been discussed.
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- May 5, 2015 at 2:46 am
Can you do a phone consult with Moffit? They are a well known melanoma center. Dr. Weber is well renowned and would likely do a consult.
Scans can't show microscopic disease. Tumors have to be a certain size to show up, hence the SNB where they inspect the tissue microscopically.
I think you want scans to see if there is evidence of this elsewhere. If scans are clean, then you decide about removing all the lymph nodes in the basin. If the scans show the disease is already systemic, no need for the node removal until all options for treatment have been discussed.
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- May 4, 2015 at 8:25 pm
We are working on getting him to a specialist as hard as we can. We are in the Miami, FL Area, and when my dad does receive treatment, its at Larkin Hospital. Given his situation, its not easy to get him basic treatment, much less a specialist. Thats why I am trying to as much of the research as I can right now…
The craziest part of all this is the tumor grew to that horrific size in 4 months from nothing!
I'm assuming since they already did the surgery and the sentinal node biopsy is likely not going to be accurate, what would the next step be? Removal of the closest lymph node (or nodes) and sent off for testing? Would a CT scan, XRAY, or another type of scan reveal any type of spread?
My dad says his left arm(same side as tumor) has been painful & tingling lately…. what could this potentially mean? reminder after the surgery he had a pretty bad infection on the removal site and required alot of antiboitics.
I am hoping every day that this remains stage II and hasn't spready anywhere else.
Thanks again for all your help & support.
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- May 4, 2015 at 8:25 pm
We are working on getting him to a specialist as hard as we can. We are in the Miami, FL Area, and when my dad does receive treatment, its at Larkin Hospital. Given his situation, its not easy to get him basic treatment, much less a specialist. Thats why I am trying to as much of the research as I can right now…
The craziest part of all this is the tumor grew to that horrific size in 4 months from nothing!
I'm assuming since they already did the surgery and the sentinal node biopsy is likely not going to be accurate, what would the next step be? Removal of the closest lymph node (or nodes) and sent off for testing? Would a CT scan, XRAY, or another type of scan reveal any type of spread?
My dad says his left arm(same side as tumor) has been painful & tingling lately…. what could this potentially mean? reminder after the surgery he had a pretty bad infection on the removal site and required alot of antiboitics.
I am hoping every day that this remains stage II and hasn't spready anywhere else.
Thanks again for all your help & support.
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- April 30, 2015 at 3:39 pm
Ideally, they would have done the sentinel lymph node biopsy PRIOR to the wide excision. The sentinel lymph node biopsy may not be of much use now because the large surgical removal may have changed the lymph node drainage patterns. If he has palpable lymph nodes on the same side, that is worrisome. It doesn't sound like he is being seen by a melanoma specialist. I strongly recommend that if at all possible. You can post and ask for suggestions in your area here. This is a very worrisome diagnosis and he really needs to see someone who specializes in melanoma for the best treatment options. A derm or general oncologist just aren't the right ones in this situation. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!
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- April 30, 2015 at 3:39 pm
Ideally, they would have done the sentinel lymph node biopsy PRIOR to the wide excision. The sentinel lymph node biopsy may not be of much use now because the large surgical removal may have changed the lymph node drainage patterns. If he has palpable lymph nodes on the same side, that is worrisome. It doesn't sound like he is being seen by a melanoma specialist. I strongly recommend that if at all possible. You can post and ask for suggestions in your area here. This is a very worrisome diagnosis and he really needs to see someone who specializes in melanoma for the best treatment options. A derm or general oncologist just aren't the right ones in this situation. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!
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- April 30, 2015 at 2:03 pm
Hi, Thank you so much for taking the time to reply. We really appreciate it.
No to all of your last questoins, we are working as hard as we can to get him a sentinal lymph node biopsy and I think maybe some type of scan. I think he might have been scheduled for a surgery to remove the nodes, but I am not sure. I'd figure they would do some kind of testing first?
My dad says he can feel a small bump in his left armpit lymph nodes (same side the tumor was on), however he says some days he can feel it, some days he cant. It should also be mentioned he had an infection due to stiches where the tumor was removed so who knows. Doctors checked the rest of his lymph nodes (regular checkup style) and said they felt all normal with the exception of the previosly mentioned one.
My dad says he feels good, and all his bloodwork came back normal. We are pushing as hard as possible to get him taken care of.
Thanks again.
Matt
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- April 30, 2015 at 2:03 pm
Hi, Thank you so much for taking the time to reply. We really appreciate it.
No to all of your last questoins, we are working as hard as we can to get him a sentinal lymph node biopsy and I think maybe some type of scan. I think he might have been scheduled for a surgery to remove the nodes, but I am not sure. I'd figure they would do some kind of testing first?
My dad says he can feel a small bump in his left armpit lymph nodes (same side the tumor was on), however he says some days he can feel it, some days he cant. It should also be mentioned he had an infection due to stiches where the tumor was removed so who knows. Doctors checked the rest of his lymph nodes (regular checkup style) and said they felt all normal with the exception of the previosly mentioned one.
My dad says he feels good, and all his bloodwork came back normal. We are pushing as hard as possible to get him taken care of.
Thanks again.
Matt
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- April 30, 2015 at 4:16 am
The report is a little hard to read because of the loss of carriage returns. But what I'm reading is a 4cm nodule with a high mitotic rate. 0 is ideal, 16 is considered high. This means the tumor cells are dividing rapidly. Because of the polypoid diagnosis, depth might be interpreted a little differently. That's a more unusual diagnosis. My comments come more from a background of reading reports of a tumor that is not above but in/under the skin.
For any stage 2 lesion, the excision should remove at least 2cm all around the lesion. It appears he has 1.8cm on the peripheral margin but only 1cm from the deep margin. It is good the deep margin is not involved, but again a larger clear margin might be desired. This may or may not be possible. They most likely removed all the tissue down to the muscle fasia layer. I know some docs who have removed muscle tissue as well to get additional margins – but as you haven't given us any additional info, that's about as much as I can comment on.
Ulceration – under a microscope, the epidermis has been compromised. This tends to carry a worse prognosis than lesions that are not ulcerated and typically raises staging by one level.
Microsatellitosis – no satellite lesions were identified. No obvious cells starting new colonies nearby.
Lymph-Vascular invasion – they can't make a definite diagnosis from the tissue samples they have. This is obvious tumor infiltration of a lymph or blood vessel. This isn't anything to do with if the lymph nodes are involved.
Perineural invasion – melanoma not seen involving nerves.
Tumor Infiltration Lymphocytes – not identified. This can be a good or bad factor depending upon what you read. Basically, the body really hasn't identified the lesion as bad and hasn't sent any armies to try and destroy it.
Tumor regression – not identified. This goes along with the above item – the body has not tried to do anything to kill the tumor. Regression can also be a mixed bag, but in this case – the body's immune system is doing nothing to try and eradicate this tumor, it isn't recognizing it as bad.
Typically, disecting a pathology report line by line isn't all that productive. The final diagnosis really is the most important part. All of the details listed just support the final diagnosis and stage.
Has he had some type of sentinel lymph node biopsy? Are they or have they checked the lymph nodes for melanoma involvement? Has he had any other type of scans?
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- April 30, 2015 at 4:16 am
The report is a little hard to read because of the loss of carriage returns. But what I'm reading is a 4cm nodule with a high mitotic rate. 0 is ideal, 16 is considered high. This means the tumor cells are dividing rapidly. Because of the polypoid diagnosis, depth might be interpreted a little differently. That's a more unusual diagnosis. My comments come more from a background of reading reports of a tumor that is not above but in/under the skin.
For any stage 2 lesion, the excision should remove at least 2cm all around the lesion. It appears he has 1.8cm on the peripheral margin but only 1cm from the deep margin. It is good the deep margin is not involved, but again a larger clear margin might be desired. This may or may not be possible. They most likely removed all the tissue down to the muscle fasia layer. I know some docs who have removed muscle tissue as well to get additional margins – but as you haven't given us any additional info, that's about as much as I can comment on.
Ulceration – under a microscope, the epidermis has been compromised. This tends to carry a worse prognosis than lesions that are not ulcerated and typically raises staging by one level.
Microsatellitosis – no satellite lesions were identified. No obvious cells starting new colonies nearby.
Lymph-Vascular invasion – they can't make a definite diagnosis from the tissue samples they have. This is obvious tumor infiltration of a lymph or blood vessel. This isn't anything to do with if the lymph nodes are involved.
Perineural invasion – melanoma not seen involving nerves.
Tumor Infiltration Lymphocytes – not identified. This can be a good or bad factor depending upon what you read. Basically, the body really hasn't identified the lesion as bad and hasn't sent any armies to try and destroy it.
Tumor regression – not identified. This goes along with the above item – the body has not tried to do anything to kill the tumor. Regression can also be a mixed bag, but in this case – the body's immune system is doing nothing to try and eradicate this tumor, it isn't recognizing it as bad.
Typically, disecting a pathology report line by line isn't all that productive. The final diagnosis really is the most important part. All of the details listed just support the final diagnosis and stage.
Has he had some type of sentinel lymph node biopsy? Are they or have they checked the lymph nodes for melanoma involvement? Has he had any other type of scans?
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- April 29, 2015 at 6:53 pm
Sorry, seems the underline did not show up…below is what was underlined.
MARGINS PERIPHERAL MARGINS: DISTANCE OF INVASIVE MELANOMA FROM CLOSEST PERIPHERAL MARGIN: 18MM DEEP MARGIN: UNINVOLVED BY INVANSIVE MELANOMA DISTANCE OF INVASIVE MELANOMA FROM MARGIN: 10MM MITOTIC RATE: 16/MM2
MICROSATELLITOSIS: NOT IDENTIFIED LYHMPH-VASCULAR INVASION: INDETERMINATE PERINEURAL INVASION: NOT IDENTIFIED TUMOR-INFILTRATING LYMPHOCYTES: NOT IDENTIFIED TUMOR REGRESSION: NOT IDENTIFIED
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- April 29, 2015 at 6:53 pm
Sorry, seems the underline did not show up…below is what was underlined.
MARGINS PERIPHERAL MARGINS: DISTANCE OF INVASIVE MELANOMA FROM CLOSEST PERIPHERAL MARGIN: 18MM DEEP MARGIN: UNINVOLVED BY INVANSIVE MELANOMA DISTANCE OF INVASIVE MELANOMA FROM MARGIN: 10MM MITOTIC RATE: 16/MM2
MICROSATELLITOSIS: NOT IDENTIFIED LYHMPH-VASCULAR INVASION: INDETERMINATE PERINEURAL INVASION: NOT IDENTIFIED TUMOR-INFILTRATING LYMPHOCYTES: NOT IDENTIFIED TUMOR REGRESSION: NOT IDENTIFIED
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